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ISIS – A disgrace to Islam and Muslims

ISIS or the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is a misnomer. There is nothing truly Islamic about them and their agenda. One psychoanalytical look at them and you will find a bunch of very young people (mainly teenagers and boys in their early 20s), disgruntled by some of Wests erroneous foreign policies to an extent of revenge. And what better way of draping one’s revenge under a “just cause” clause than religion? When we Muslims see such people, using the Qur’an for their sinister understanding of Jihad, we shouldn’t be shocked. The Qur’an itself talked about people like them misinterpreting its verses and thus leading themselves to misguidance.


ISIS in the Eyes of Quran

In 2:26 of the Qur’an, Allah says: – “By it (Quran), He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fasiqin”. Now “Fasiq” means “corrupt” with a corruption of an inherent nature or “Miscreant”, and anyone well versed with the Arabic language would attest to that. In short the same verses are read and studied by the learned Scholars of Islam, understood in their context and executed according to the perfect Prophetic Model with the example of the 4 Guiding Caliphs, and the very same verses are read by these young men, with no knowledge whatsoever and as the age old adage says “Partial knowledge is often dangerous”. Now the corruption of these people, it must be remembered, is not in their intention, as most of these young men are over-zealous kids with an intent to “fight injustice” (as wrong as their methods may be), rather it lies in their understanding and one dimensional view of the way preached by the Prophet Muhammad.

ISIS – Acts of Beheading and Video of Execution

ISIS is responsible for many Un-Islamic, rather “Anti-Islamic” actions that they have boasted of. They are murdering innocent people in the name of Jihad. In November 2014 they executed an Aid worker Peter Kassig and then later released a video of execution on the internet. They have recently beheaded a Japanese Journalists Kenji Goto who had went to Syria to save the life of his friend but these terrorists group beheaded both of them separately and later released video of execution for each one of them.


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Misconceptions About Jihad And Its Purpose

Misunderstanding About Jihad

Islam is a very peaceful and tolerant religion and it has been the case right from the point it was introduced to us by the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) more than 1400 years ago. However, it has been under a lot of public scrutiny in the recent years and with the way misconceptions have been spread around regarding its most fundamental beliefs, it has become very difficult for the Muslims to live peacefully in the different communities that they are settled in around the world. While there may be other problems in the Muslim community currently, the one that has been causing serious damage to the overall morale and the beliefs of the Muslims is the question, what is Jihad. This is something that not only defines a very important and basic part of the belief structure of Islam; it is also a crucial link towards gaining an air of understanding for the Muslims, no matter where they are in the world. The current widespread idea that Jihad is all about violence and strict enforcement of anyone’s beliefs as long as they think it is related to Islam. This has accelerated the problem for the Muslim community and therefore this article will clarify what is Jihad and what its purpose is.

The bigger picture

Most of the people around the world who think that they understand the position of Jihad in current situation around the world will definitely tell you that it is nothing but violence and extremism at its worst. While the anti-Islamic forces around the world do make a lot of effort in defaming Islam, the Muslim community is to blame for it just as much. With no interest towards learning what is Jihad and how they can help differentiate right from wrong, they make the job much easier for those looking to exploit the situation. What we need to realize is that Jihad is about a constant struggle that is to be taken on with just one goal and that is the spreading of Islam. The way to do that is never with violence. We have countless examples in Quran and Hadith that show us how the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) taught about Islam. It is absolutely clear that his weapon of choice was love and good treatment and that is the example we are supposed to follow. After all, the word Jihad itself means to make an effort and the proper method for doing that is one that does not involve any extremism or violence.

Leading by example

Knowing the answer to the question what is Jihad is not enough and it is important that as an informed individual, all Muslims participate fully and play their role in spreading the truth about Jihad. Since Islam clearly tells us not to ask anyone to convert to Islam by force, we can only do it in the politest possible way. As a result, with the will of Allah, they will definitely find their way to the righteous path through love and patience. Having read this, it is now your duty to spread the right answer whenever someone asks what is Jihad.



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BIG dosen't equal valid or accurate ...

But thanks for the Farsi viewpoint ...


Meanwhile, don't get focused upon 'trees' for sake of 'forest' ...


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You and others do the same wrt making the headline and font bigger.

Do you hate the word Muslim? Does your skin shake when you hear an arab name, Islam, Jihad or Sharia law? If the answer is yes thats the same as anti Jews who shake and get upset when they hear torah law, Jewish names or anything related to Judaism.


Important to note that

While the anti-Islamic forces around the world do make a lot of effort in defaming Islam, the Muslim community is to blame for it just as much. With no interest towards learning what is Jihad and how they can help differentiate right from wrong, they make the job much easier for those looking to exploit the situation.

Muslims are calling out intolerant Muslims and Muslims are fighting intolerant Muslims. Other then asking for more Muslims and non Muslims to work against intolerance, there is literally nothing more to ask considering that today we have Muslims and Christians who are freedom loving, pro gender equal and pro gay rights.
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You and others do the same wrt making the headline and font bigger.

Do you hate the word Muslim? Does your skin shake when you hear an arab name, Islam, Jihad or Sharia law? If the answer is yes thats the same as anti Jews who shake and get upset when they hear torah law, Jewish names or anything related to Judaism.


Important to note that

While the anti-Islamic forces around the world do make a lot of effort in defaming Islam, the Muslim community is to blame for it just as much. With no interest towards learning what is Jihad and how they can help differentiate right from wrong, they make the job much easier for those looking to exploit the situation.

Muslims are calling out intolerant Muslims and Muslims are fighting intolerant Muslims. Other then asking for more Muslims and non Muslims to work against intolerance, there is literally nothing more to ask considering that today we have Muslims and Christians who are freedom loving, pro gender equal and pro gay rights.
There is nothing in the Old Testament or Jewish scripture to indicate they have a mandate to convert the rest of humanity to Judism, so I find nothing objectionable about the Jewish faith.

Islam on the other hand, stands unique and alone among major world religions for it's scriptural dogma of conversion and intolerance.
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There is nothing in the Old Testament or Jewish scripture to indicate they have a mandate to convert the rest of humanity to Judism, so I find nothing objectionable about the Jewish faith.

Islam on the other hand, stands unique and alone among major world religions for it's scriptural dogma of conversion and intolerance.
There are many Israeli Jews who are preaching that Muslims are the same as Jews and that all people should love each other.

Islam and Judaism do not allow bigotry. Any Jew or Muslim who practices bigotry, or discrimination against folks due to skin color or race goes against their religion.


Do you get upset when you hear an Arab Name, Islam, Jihad, Sharia law...do these terms upset you when you hear them?
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The new and Old Testament is full of stuff that is shall we say not exactly liberal in regards to women, homosexuals and what have you. It also contradicts itself too on occasion . It's also irrelevant to the issue at hand. Apart from a few kooks most of that had been left in the Middle Ages and the reformation and enlightenment saw the rest of it off . Modern Jews or Christian's do not practice such things or try and take over the world or murder people left right and centre for social and political power. There is however one faith that is effectively a fascist political ideology stuck in the Middle Ages and wants to dominate, control and destroy true western liberal values . It's not Buddhism. The Saudis don't fund mosques to the tune of billions of dollars for the sake of bringing diversity to the west .

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Islam on the other hand, stands unique and alone among major world religions for it's scriptural dogma of conversion and intolerance.
Exactly so.

And our troll keeps forgetting that he is supposed to be passing as a Catholic. Both Roman and Greek Orthodox Catholics are prohibited from supporting or portraying islam as a valid faith.
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Exactly so.

And our troll keeps forgetting that he is supposed to be passing as a Catholic. Both Roman and Greek Orthodox Catholics are prohibited from supporting or portraying islam as a valid faith.
Not to mention he focuses mostly upon Sunni terrorist/Jihadi organizations like ISIS/ISIL but won't equally condemn the Shia ones like HAMAS and Hezbollah, supported by Iran.

Hence part of the reason to assess he is Farsi/Iranian in person and/or support.
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Not to mention he focuses mostly upon Sunni terrorist/Jihadi organizations like ISIS/ISIL but won't equally condemn the Shia ones like HAMAS and Hezbollah, supported by Iran.

Hence part of the reason to assess he is Farsi/Iranian in person and/or support.
Remember how he tried to tell us that Iran was a great vacation spot?

The state dept. says bad idea, very bad idea...

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Iranian authorities continue to unjustly detain and imprison U.S. citizens, particularly Iranian-Americans, including students, journalists, business travelers, and academics, on charges including espionage and posing a threat to national security. Iranian authorities have also prevented the departure, in some cases for months, of a number of Iranian-American citizens who traveled to Iran for personal or professional reasons. U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel. U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.
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The new and Old Testament is full of stuff that is shall we say not exactly liberal in regards to women, homosexuals and what have you. It also contradicts itself too on occasion . It's also irrelevant to the issue at hand. Apart from a few kooks most of that had been left in the Middle Ages and the reformation and enlightenment saw the rest of it off . Modern Jews or Christian's do not practice such things or try and take over the world or murder people left right and centre for social and political power. There is however one faith that is effectively a fascist political ideology stuck in the Middle Ages and wants to dominate, control and destroy true western liberal values . It's not Buddhism. The Saudis don't fund mosques to the tune of billions of dollars for the sake of bringing diversity to the west .
Well that depends does n't it? If someone is saying that they find nothing objectionable in the scripture of a religion solely based on the actions of its followers then it is fair to ask what they think of what is in those books.

If all Muslims were peaceful people would I still disagree or find things in the Quran objectionable - yes and so should most sane people. Same for the Torah, the Bible, etc.
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The new and Old Testament is full of stuff that is shall we say not exactly liberal in regards to women, homosexuals and what have you. It also contradicts itself too on occasion . It's also irrelevant to the issue at hand. Apart from a few kooks most of that had been left in the Middle Ages and the reformation and enlightenment saw the rest of it off . Modern Jews or Christian's do not practice such things or try and take over the world or murder people left right and centre for social and political power. There is however one faith that is effectively a fascist political ideology stuck in the Middle Ages and wants to dominate, control and destroy true western liberal values . It's not Buddhism. The Saudis don't fund mosques to the tune of billions of dollars for the sake of bringing diversity to the west .
I have been speaking out against the intolerant policies of nations, including my own, Israel, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia should re look into its viewpoint oN Syria, but the thing is copenhagan Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the USA all have pretty much the same view on Syria...though once Trump takes power I dont now what will happen wrt to how Israel and Saudi view Syria.

Hey the guys of the middle ages were great people, these are our ancestors. ISIL is not stuck in the middle ages, ISIL is a disgrace to the great men and women of the middle ages...our ancestors who built England, Italy, the Roman Empire and much more.

I find the Christian religion is arguably more relevant today then it ever has been before. It has been showcased by numerous posters in the "Syria civil war thread" that Syrian Arabs are wearing Christmas Santa hats..these are Arab Muslims and Christians. What ISIL is , is a bully that thinks its better then everyone else. ISIL wants to brainwash good people in the west to absolutely hate Muslims, that is identical to what Hitler successfully did to good people even in the "west"...But standing in ISILs way are the heroic people of Syria and that is merely one example of friendship among Christian and Muslims. We also have Yemen, Israel, Egypt, Iran...I can show facts that in every one of these countries there has been friendship among Jew, Muslim, Atheist. and Christian. I can show videos from Egypt showing Christians and Muslims holding each others Holy books during the Arab Spring. There is no grand conspiracy or some grand plot going on here, most Muslims abhor ISIL. Its the right thing to do to stand up to ISIL and say hey ISIL your wrong about Islam.
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Not to mention he focuses mostly upon Sunni terrorist/Jihadi organizations like ISIS/ISIL but won't equally condemn the Shia ones like HAMAS and Hezbollah, supported by Iran.

Hence part of the reason to assess he is Farsi/Iranian in person and/or support.
Your ignoring key posts. Your above points have already been addressed


I nor the US gov supports Hamas and while we have taken Hezbollah off the terror list...we do not support Hezbollah. The much vaunted Russia supports Hezbollah, you are simply ignoring these key points and deflecting with inaccurate information and personal attacks.


Numerous posts itt detail US gov policy and US military think tanks supporting Muslims in the fight against ISIL.
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Christianity is relevant in this the same way Islam is to our geo politocs because some Syrians were wearing Santa hats ? Heard it all now.
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Christianity is relevant in this the same way Islam is to our geo politocs because some Syrians were wearing Santa hats ? Heard it all now.
He is a troll and has been doing this for years. I do not know why anyone still falls for it, myself included on occasion.

If everyone just ignored him he would get bored and leave.
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