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Yes, well there are a lot of non-Syrians in Assad's ranks also, as far as I'm concerned they're all equal bastards.

That is however the way civil wars go about these days, they draw the scum of the earth from all over to come and join the fun.

Once again - none of my concern, sad for the Syrians though, they'll be dealing with the outfall of this when the foreigners are long gone.
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IS isn't in Aleppo, they're in Raqqa, their self-proclaimed capital.

Butchering the residents of Aleppo is as helpful to winning the war against IS as slaughtering the residents of Warsaw was to winning WWII

But it is very satisfying to the Russian national ego, no doubt.
It's satisfying to those who wants to tickle their national or personal self-righteous ego by spreading and believing BS reports about "evil Russians butchering people" vs "good guys properly liberating Mosul by love bombs and rainbow soap bubble missiles"
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The purported objective of the Russian operation was to defeat IS after they downed one of your airliners.

What has actually happened is an operation to support Assad without lifting a finger against IS.

And that is the only difference between what your lot is doing there and what my lot is doing there.

The Belgians will be home when IS is dealt with, the Russians will have to stay there or Assad will fall anyway.

The smartest among your population know that all too well - they're just not inclined to post about it in English
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The purported objective of the Russian operation was to defeat IS after they downed one of your airliners.
You are confusing the sequence of events, I guess.
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What has actually happened is an operation to support Assad without lifting a finger against IS.
Syrian governmental forces with Russian support retook Palmyra from IS several months ago. Which just happened to be more than Western coalition achieved against IS by that moment.

The officially stated Russian military goal in Syria is to combat IS "and other terrorist group", note the wording.
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The officially stated Russian military goal in Syria is to combat IS "and other terrorist group", note the wording.
If so you'll be there forever.

As long as someone, anyone, opposes Assad they'll be labelled a "terrorist group" and thus justify the Russian presence there.
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After a failed rebel counter-attack last night and this morning in Aleppo's inner quarter, the SAA has gone back on the offensive, liberating Sha'ar and Karm al-Jabal districts in the inner quarter and Marjeh (Maqar al-Anbija) and Sheik Lufti districts in the south-east.

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As long as someone, anyone, opposes Assad they'll be labelled a "terrorist group" and thus justify the Russian presence there.
Oh well, Al-Nusra which is now fighting in Aleppo is widely recognized as a terrorist organization and not by Russia alone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nus...t_organisation
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There are rumours that some of the rebels have taken Gov offer to leave Aleppo.
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After reading this awe inspiring story of a white women standing up to the KKK,

http://heroicstories.org/samples/mar...d-white-hoods/

I realized that Syria is home to so many modern day heroes. Many Syrian Muslims, Jews, and Christians have decided to remain in Syria and to fight for their homeland. Meanwhile utter scum of the universe like the KKK...are trying to say oh its Islams fault thereby promoting bigotry. The thought that my fellow Christians in Syria are dying in the fight against ISIL...well the least I can do is provide moral support to the Syrian Christians and Muslims who support freedom, love, peace between different religions.

"Terrorists" means Isis and the al-Nusrah Front – Zaman makes no difference between them – and he has a bleak, harsh memory of the battles to defend his air base. “Our enemy,” he says, “had two choices: death and death. There was no other.” When I ask if he knew the Syrian pilot, Major Nowras Hassan, who had just bailed out over Nusrah territory on the Syrian-Lebanese border far to the west and been promptly executed by his captors, Brig Zaman nods. “Of course I knew him well. He was a married man, no children. But the ways of terrorists will not terrorise us. Our base was under siege for three and a half years. It was the largest siege in history after Stalingrad.”


http://russia-insider.com/en/gruesom...-years/ri15377
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Looks like Aleppo is liberated.
I will wait till morning to be sure.

Beheaders surrender or escape. Great victory for SAA and humanity.


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Looks like Aleppo is liberated.
I will wait till morning to be sure.
Beheaders surrender or escape. Great victory for SAA and humanity.
Not yet.
The old quarter has been liberated.
Report that several buses of head-choppers have been sent out of the city.
Negotiations going on for the surrender/removal of the remaining allahu snackbars.
Celebrations going on in the city - fireworks and bell ringing
One SAA solder seen assaulting rebel defenses while wearing a Christmas hat
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What will happen to the head choppers though? Is it possible to quietly take care of that problem? Some justice seems to be called for.
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Nothing lasts forever
Belgians in Congo, French in Algeria, Americans in Vietnam, Russians in Afghanistan, Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Russians in Syria.

The English of course deserve a list all of their own.

Nothing lasts forever but some things are eternal - congratulations on your great victory

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(...), Al-Nusra which is now fighting in Aleppo is widely recognized as a terrorist organization and not by Russia alone:
Sure but in Aleppo they were not employing terrorist tactics, they were defending city blocks - a most unusual, and in fact silly thing to do for a terrorist organisation, I imagine that will change now.

Next stop Idlib province I expect ?
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Sure but in Aleppo they were not employing terrorist tactics, they were defending city blocks - a most unusual, and in fact silly thing to do for a terrorist organisation
Should I kiss them for that? You see, the situation is simple: Russian Caucasus or Central Asia in Russia's underbelly could be the next logical target for jihadists (under any name) after winning in the Middle East. Hence in Russian interests is to weaken them as much as possible and keep Assad who is opposing them afloat. What tactics they use is irrelevant here.
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That is by far the most logical and reasonable assessment of the affair, and the motivation behind it, I ever seen posted here.

Nothing about terrorism or the UN, no good or evil, no "headchoppers" or "...the US does it as well" - just national interest, logic and reason.

*I* could kiss you for that


Bad news for the Syrians though since they have just become a buffer state, I guess in any game a few pawns must be sacrificed..
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