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Okay, but it's okay to posthumously denigrate an accomplished US soldier postmortem? The Hypocrisy is hilarious. At least RimJ here is alive to defend himself. Custer did everything he was ordered to do, the result of his last battle was just as much if not more the result of others mistakes. Now I believe an apology is due, my good man.
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Custer disobeyed his orders, exhausted his men and horses in the act of disobeying his orders, failed the scout effectively, disregarded what battlefield intelligence he received, and split his command. Had it not been for Reno and Benteen, the entire Seventh would have been lost.

If you want to argue this further, I suggest another thread. Fig has already named Custer's debacle.
So you are just ignoring his written and admitted Spoken Orders from his direct superior "Terry." That is called Confirmation Bias. Continuing to believe something despite all evidence contrary, to reinforce a flawed, but self-absolving perspective, rather than just admitting your misconception was wrong. Kind of like how people believe in psychics, even after a psychic explains to them how they do it, and most people will actually insist even more defensively that Psychics are real. It's called the Backfire Effect. It's okay certain types of people are more susceptible to this universally human meta-cognitive block, which is why I asked the above that was wrongfully censored.
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So you are just ignoring his written and admitted Spoken Orders from his direct superior "Terry." That is called Confirmation Bias. Continuing to believe something despite all evidence contrary, to reinforce a flawed, but self-absolving perspective, rather than just admitting your misconception was wrong. Kind of like how people believe in psychics, even after a psychic explains to them how they do it, and most people will actually insist even more defensively that Psychics are real. It's called the Backfire Effect. It's okay certain types of people are more susceptible to this universally human meta-cognitive block, which is why I asked the above that was wrongfully censored.
Don't believe we've ever talked. Name's Hal
We have had some great threads on Custer and they are always lively. It has been a while, maybe it's time for a new one. But AJ has a point. This ain't the place. IMO this is an original OP. Let's explore it and see what others contribute as well as what else comes to our minds.
A Custer thread always gets quite a few players.

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The problem is limiting to the US military.

The French Foreign Legion and the Brits have numerous heroic, to-the-last-man stands.

There was a famous stand on the retreat from Kabul, Rourke's Drift, the fight just before Rourke's drift which I cannot spell, Khartoum, several stands during the Mutiny...the Brits seem inclined to sneer at the odds and fight to the last man on the drop of a hat.
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The problem is limiting to the US military.

The French Foreign Legion and the Brits have numerous heroic, to-the-last-man stands.

There was a famous stand on the retreat from Kabul, Rourke's Drift, the fight just before Rourke's drift which I cannot spell, Khartoum, several stands during the Mutiny...the Brits seem inclined to sneer at the odds and fight to the last man on the drop of a hat.
Agree, that's what makes the tread interesting. Can't use the Fur era or civilian trains, mining camps just US Military. We know the obvious. Gotta dig on this. I'm thinking Santee uprising. Some small military unit had to get caught up in the opening days. I seem to remember something during the Creek War. Good challenge
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Not to mention the Japanese; they fought to the last man as a matter of habit.

IIRC the 173rd lost a detachment during Operation Hump that literally fought to the last.

During IDrang the 1/7 Cav had a platoon cut off that survived, but it certainly was on the route to 'the last man'.

If as suggested we count early naval actions,. I think there was an action on the Great Lakes during the War of 1812 that would count, but the details escape me at this late hour.
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Doesn't have to be on land. Glad to see some sea based last stands. What about in the air?
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I'm going to tag Guadalanal as thgumbs up as well after a little thought.

The stand of the Marines there wqas just like a "last stand" for them personally.

If captured en'masse or surrendered, none of 1st div would have gotten off that island alive.

certainly gets my vote for the "last stand" of all time!
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Sea Last Stands.

OK then...Sea based Last Stands?

"The Battle of Flamborough Head."

John Paul Jones charged off his own less than seaworthy hulk, (after taking fire and getting hits all over his vesse)l, put himself & trusty crew in the position of a "Last stand". They had no choice but to win if they wanted to get home at all.

crikey, thats all I can think of from a U.S. Navy point of view. I'll ruminate on that one....


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LARGEST GROUP LAST STAND: "Hernando Cortez and Followers" for the destruction of his own fleet, leaving his trusty followers in no position but to "forge ahead" back into the interior with him, (Cortez.) No way back for an entire army and host of camp followers, a rolling problem for the Indigeonies to deal with."

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The battle of Bataan seems a hell of a last stand

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OK then...Sea based Last Stands?

"The Battle of Flamborough Head."

John Paul Jones charged off his own less than seaworthy hulk, (after taking fire and getting hits all over his vesse)l, put himself & trusty crew in the position of a "Last stand". They had no choice but to win if they wanted to get home at all.

crikey, thats all I can think of from a U.S. Navy point of view. I'll ruminate on that one....


BUT, THE AWARD for
LARGEST GROUP LAST STAND: "Hernando Cortez and Followers" for the destruction of his own fleet, leaving his trusty followers in no position but to "forge ahead" back into the interior with him, (Cortez.) No way back for an entire army and host of camp followers, a rolling problem for the Indigeonies to deal with."

and Yes, this is a naval award....not a yankie one, but a beauty nevertheless!
What about the Aussie and US ships off Java in early WW2? They were outnumbered and outgunned, and went down swinging.
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I'm going to tag Guadalanal as thgumbs up as well after a little thought.

The stand of the Marines there wqas just like a "last stand" for them personally.

If captured en'masse or surrendered, none of 1st div would have gotten off that island alive.

certainly gets my vote for the "last stand" of all time!
While it was impressive, the 1st MarDiv actually outnumbered the Japanese forces on the island. And so long as the USN could get through, there was no danger of them having to surrender. Although in their defense they thought they were outnumbered.

What about the USMC in Korea at the Reservoir? Not a last stand, but they faced incredible odds under horrific conditions, and it could have cost them thousands of men.

And then there is IDrang in Vietnam.

The 1/7 Cav was certainly fighting for its life.
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The Japnese forces on the island were fed in piecemeal, yes? I can't recall there being any point where the Japanese interupted their offensive operation for a 'build-up' period.


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OK then...Sea based Last Stands?

"The Battle of Flamborough Head."

John Paul Jones charged off his own less than seaworthy hulk, (after taking fire and getting hits all over his vesse)l, put himself & trusty crew in the position of a "Last stand". They had no choice but to win if they wanted to get home at all.

crikey, thats all I can think of from a U.S. Navy point of view. I'll ruminate on that one....


BUT, THE AWARD for
LARGEST GROUP LAST STAND: "Hernando Cortez and Followers" for the destruction of his own fleet, leaving his trusty followers in no position but to "forge ahead" back into the interior with him, (Cortez.) No way back for an entire army and host of camp followers, a rolling problem for the Indigeonies to deal with."

and Yes, this is a naval award....not a yankie one, but a beauty nevertheless!
Have you actually read anything about the Battle of Flamborough Head? Because the the only way you can class it as a last stand is if you are writing about Serapis and the Countess of Scarborough.
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