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The Spanish Conquistadors

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I shall start with the story of Inés Suárez...a courageous woman who fought among her male counterparts.

Yes, there were women among the conquerors, and the image of Ines is well-known in Chile. She was born in 1507 in Plasencia (Extremadura) and little is known of her life until, at the age of 19 years, she married an adventurer called Juan de Malaga. A year after the wedding Juan left for Panama while Ines stayed in Spain. Having not had any news for years, Ines embarked towards America at barely 30 years old, where she Inés received the news that her husband had died at the Battle of the Salt Mines, and she faced supporters of Francisco Pizarro against those of Diego de Almagro for the rule of Cuzco (Peru).

A short while later she met another conqueror, Pedro de Valdivia, with whom she started a passionate romance. In 1539 she left with Valdivia for the conquest of Chile as the only woman on the expedition. At the start – remember this was a different era – Ines served as a servant; but she soon won a place among her comrades thanks to her courage, loyalty and personality.

She was the first European woman to set foot on Chilean soil and one of the founders of the city which, on the banks of the Mapocho River, would end up becoming Santiago de Chile.



http://www.enforex.com/culture/ines-suarez.html
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The historical novel Inés of My Soul has a positive view of Inés Suárez,


http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1219/p17s01-bogn.html
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Triggered by the thread's theme and of women conquistadors in particular I did some research and came across this link in which Inés Suárez also features:

http://someinterestingfacts.net/span...stadors-women/
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i thought the thread title indicated a discussion of something very different to what we got.
why do I feel ripped off!
I guess you mean that the thread seems to focus on female conquistadors?
Just an early turn in the thread IMO.

Given the thread's broad theme feel free to address any other aspect of Spanish Conquistadors
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Because only I and Major Sennef have contributed so far . My good friend what do you have to say about the Spanish Conquistadors?
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A # of the Spanish Conquistadors spoke proudly of their Native Allies. This is quite an interesting statement made by Mr Bracamonte,


I have fought beside these Indians and I have seen their loyalty andthe great service that they have done for Your Majesty.... They have fought and suffered along beside us, and many a Spanish soldier owesthem his life.... I can say in all honesty that without them we wouldnever have conquered this land.
FRANCISCO DE BRACAMONTE,
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The above is taken from Indian Conquistadors: Indigenous Allies in the Conquest of Mesoamerica. The resource can be viewed here,

http://www.academia.edu/5101750/Indi...of_Mesoamerica
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Another Conquistador (and historian) Bernal Díaz del Castillo....praised a # of so called cacique whom were effectively Indian Conquistadors,




The Mapa de Cuauhtlantzinco or Códice Campos, a series of paintings in watercolor with short texts in Nahuatl, mentions the “Señor Don Bernal Díaz del Castillo” among other Spanish conquerors whose histories sup-posedly recognized the deeds of a local cacique , Tepoztecatl. The mapa actually touts the meritorious activities of not just one but four local caciques who aided or even took the lead in local battles of conquest. The mapa comes from a small community, San Juan Cuauhtlantzinco, in the parish of Cholula, not far from Tlaxcala. It seems to date from no earlier than the 1650s, a temporal framework that would support the mapa’s author(s) having been influenced by Díaz’s writings.

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A # of the Spanish Conquistadors spoke proudly of their Native Allies. This is quite an interesting statement made by Mr Bracamonte,


I have fought beside these Indians and I have seen their loyalty andthe great service that they have done for Your Majesty.... They have fought and suffered along beside us, and many a Spanish soldier owesthem his life.... I can say in all honesty that without them we wouldnever have conquered this land.
FRANCISCO DE BRACAMONTE,
1576

The above is taken from Indian Conquistadors: Indigenous Allies in the Conquest of Mesoamerica. The resource can be viewed here,

http://www.academia.edu/5101750/Indi...of_Mesoamerica
Good post stoney!

The conquistadors themselves may have been infused with religious enthusiasm, but their attitude to natives were governed more by their lack of numbers, and the need for local knowlege that only riends could provide with any reliability.

Actually, I do believe they played their cards well, for their puny numbers. Also, enough of them did not let themselves be carried away by religious bigotry. Being good Cathlics, killing woman and children that had converted to ctholocism was a definate one way ticket to hell.

I'll do a little background on this before I give long posts as contributions. This is my style. I dont just wander the internet looking for anything.

So 'ill reply gladly, just not at them moment!
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Conquistadores & Tercio's

Most have been an exceptionally breed of men, these Castilians and Extremadurans from 1500 till 1640.

They were both the Conquistadors who toppled Empires and conquered the Americas for Spain
and the troops that served in the practically invincible 'tercio's' on the battlefields of Europe
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Not only that, but they were the best troops in Europe during the period.

They also contributed to the US victory in the War of the Revolution. The Spanish commander, Galvez, did quite well against the British.
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