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Dude, go find someone else to play with. I have already found your answers to lack the same standard you want to judge me by.

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Bull crap. Point to where I said something outright wrong or false, as I've shown that you did. You did catch me in a typo in a unit designation- that I admitted and corrected. And it was obviously a typo, because I listed the same unit twice in a row.

Besides responding to you, I've only answered 2 questions on this forum- and both of those answers are factually correct, including the second post in this thread.

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Bull crap. Point to where I said something outright wrong or false, as I've shown that you did. You did catch me in a typo in a unit designation- that I admitted and corrected. And it was obviously a typo, because I listed the same unit twice in a row.

Besides responding to you, I've only answered 2 questions on this forum- and both of those answers are factually correct, including the second post in this thread.

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Maybe someone can answer this question. I did a little work for 1st Brigade, 3rd BN, 69th Armor Regiment, nice guys, but they had no clue what I did. Anyway, at one of their staff meetings they sang this song, with these lyrics about resting on Fiddler's Green. I was thinking that maybe they had some Gary Owen connection, no clue.
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Maybe someone can answer this question. I did a little work for 1st Brigade, 3rd BN, 69th Armor Regiment, nice guys, but they had no clue what I did. Anyway, at one of their staff meetings they sang this song, with these lyrics about resting on Fiddler's Green. I was thinking that maybe they had some Gary Owen connection, no clue.
No specific connection in unit history or lineage. Although the song Gary Owen is specifically associated with the 7th Cavalry Regiment, Fiddler's Green and Gary Owen are common throughout the US Army cavalry and armor branches.
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No specific connection in unit history or lineage. Although the song Gary Owen is specifically associated with the 7th Cavalry Regiment, Fiddler's Green and Gary Owen are common throughout the US Army cavalry and armor branches.
I was thinking about the Cav/Armor connection, but seems a little off.
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I was thinking about the Cav/Armor connection, but seems a little off.
Why off?

3-69 AR is assigned to 1st BCT, 3rd ID, as is 5-7 CAV. I'm sure there is some personnel transition between the two battalions. Likely a significant portion of the leaders (SFC +, CPT +) in 3-69 AR have served in a squadron of the 7th CAV at some point in their career, but I haven't looked at any bios.
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Why off?

3-69 AR is assigned to 1st BCT, 3rd ID, as is 5-7 CAV. I'm sure there is some personnel transition between the two battalions. Likely a significant portion of the leaders (SFC +, CPT +) in 3-69 AR have served in a squadron of the 7th CAV at some point in their career, but I haven't looked at any bios.
I predate the 5-7 add on.
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On or about 16 October 1986 3-7 Cav was removed from the 3rd ID orbat. On or about 16 June 1989 3-4 Cav was added to 3rd ID. In between those dates no Cav squadron appears to have been assigned to 3rd ID. Unless I am wrong.

How were the Cav functions addressed in between those dates? Anyone familiar with 3rd ID around that time? I believe the answer may lie in the Cav coming under the aviation element of the division but am not sure.

It was redesignated 4/4th Cavalry in between its time as the 3/7th Cav and 3/4th Cav.
Note: The 4/4th Cav. would land on the $1.97 as D Troop/4th Cav

http://usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?ht...0Inf%20Div.htm

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Bull crap. Point to where I said something outright wrong or false, as I've shown that you did.
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In August 1990, 2nd AD still had 3 brigades, and 5th ID was still active. I'm showing 5th ID inactivation as November 1992.
This one is flat out wrong. DAHSUM 1990/91 states 2/2AD fully inactivated in August of 1990. So saying 2AD had 3 brigades is not even close.
Note: 5ID was reflagged 2AD and its units and equipment moved to Hood in 92.
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Maybe someone can answer this question. I did a little work for 1st Brigade, 3rd BN, 69th Armor Regiment, nice guys, but they had no clue what I did. Anyway, at one of their staff meetings they sang this song, with these lyrics about resting on Fiddler's Green. I was thinking that maybe they had some Gary Owen connection, no clue.
Just a guess, the Armor Branch traces its history back to the original cavalry units. And the poem Fiddler's Green is a Cavalry tradition. So that's probably where they get it. http://12thcav.us/Fiddlers_green_poem.htm
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In between those years the 3rd ID Divisional Cavalry Squadron was the 4th Squadron 4th Cavalry based at Schweinfurt - Ledward Barracks. Their border patrols were run out of Camp Harris in Coburg GE.

IIRC sometime around 1986 that Squadron converted to the J-Series TOE, giving up their tanks for the M3 CFV.
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This one is flat out wrong. DAHSUM 1990/91 states 2/2AD fully inactivated in August of 1990. So saying 2AD had 3 brigades is not even close.
Note: 5ID was reflagged 2AD and its units and equipment moved to Hood in 92.
I don't know how I missed this in September.

You caught me- I inactivation of 2/2AD earlier than the rest of the division. It does not change the point that, in 1990, 256th IN BDE was still round out to 5th ID, not to 2nd AD.

On the side, DAHSUM 90/91 is posted http://www.history.army.mil/books/DA...0-91/Index.htm

All the DAHSUMs from 1969-2010 are online http://www.history.army.mil/html/boo...ct/dahsum.html
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I don't know how I missed this in September.

You caught me- I inactivation of 2/2AD earlier than the rest of the division. It does not change the point that, in 1990, 256th IN BDE was still round out to 5th ID, not to 2nd AD.

On the side, DAHSUM 90/91 is posted http://www.history.army.mil/books/DA...0-91/Index.htm

All the DAHSUMs from 1969-2010 are online http://www.history.army.mil/html/boo...ct/dahsum.html
Yes, the 256th IB was still the 5th IDs roundout brigade in 1990 and wouldn't become the 2ADs roundout until the 5IDs inactivation/reflagging to 2AD. Wasn't arguing that point just the 2AD being at 3 brigades in 1990. Funny enough there was some debate on whether it would be reflagged 2AD or 3AD.

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A good article on the reflaggings US army divisions of the early to mid 90s. http://www.history.army.mil/books/Li.../reflagarm.htm
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The 3rd I.D. was still in Germany at this time weren't they?
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