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Шойгу в Севастополе вручил орден Нахимова ракетному крейсеру Москва, прикрывавшему на Средиземном море базу Хмеймим
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Shoigu in Sevastopol, handed over the order of Nakhimov [to] missile cruiser Moskva, prikryvavšemu [to cover? protect? -Ed] on the Mediterranean Sea Base Hmejmim
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Here is some video as well.
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Belarus to equate kolovrat to swastika

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Of course, I have to point out something amusing here: the source on Twitter I saw for this article stated it as this:
The Russian government will equate kolovrat to the swastika
However, you'll note that the article was filed from a journalist in Minsk and says Belarus, not Russia...
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Extraordinary footage of @Lifenews 'journalists' directing rockets on #Ukraine's forces in #Russia occupied #Donbas
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Both links include the purported video of the event.

Note: I think the Lifenews he was sending the tweet too was supposed to be @lifenews_ru (he corrected that later).

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This video is at least 2 years old. When i remember correctly the voice behind camera belongs to Arseny Pavlov from Sparta Bat
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Haven't seen anyone supply a copy of the video dated to two-years ago yet, however. If you know one, feel free to link it.
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That video was uploaded to Lifenews youtube account on 19th May 2014 and is no longer available as original as that Lifenews account was closed by youtube. It was even linked to on this forum, among many others, on the same day and the link can be found on "Chronicles May 2014" post #160 by Skoblin, and the link is of course dead. However, ukrops, who do not have their accounts banned, uploaded it with BS description on the same day, two years ago, as it says on the tweet, and as I suspect you very well know. But your dissembling post cannot be unchallenged, so here is the video.
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That video was uploaded to Lifenews youtube account on 19th May 2014 and is no longer available as original as that Lifenews account was closed by youtube. It was even linked to on this forum, among many others, on the same day and the link can be found on "Chronicles May 2014" post #160 by Skoblin, and the link is of course dead. However, ukrops, who do not have their accounts banned, uploaded it with BS description on the same day, two years ago, as it says on the tweet, and as I suspect you very well know. But your dissembling post cannot be unchallenged, so here is the video.
Thanks for the response. I was hoping someone could locate a copy, and you came through. People seem to forget that the internet always saves copies of videos like this - passing it off as original or new never lasts long, even if you slap a couple of watermarks on it.

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But your dissembling post cannot be unchallenged, so here is the video.
Dissembling?

And I didn't know assisting someone who asked for help in proving whether or not a video was a fake was considered "challenging" them. Still, thanks for the help regardless.
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Trump on Crimea

I asked @realDonaldTrump:"Would you as president want to recognize #Crimea as Russian, lift sanctions?" - "Yes we would be looking at that"
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Just an attempt to move the questions along, or a real statement on foreign policy? You decide.
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Thousands of Russian Orthodox gather in Kiev despite threats

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Thousands of Russian Orthodox Christian pilgrims reached the center of Ukraine's capital Wednesday and finished their procession to the city's most revered monastery after their march was disrupted a day earlier.

The procession by Ukrainian adherents of Russian Orthodoxy was prevented from entering the city on Tuesday after Ukraine's interior minister said grenades had been planted along the route. The believers completed their journey in buses Wednesday.

Ukrainian nationalists had blocked the procession from entering the city Monday, pelting marchers with eggs and denouncing them as "agents of Moscow." The Russian Orthodox Church dubbed the march a "procession of peace" and was keen to portray it as a peacemaking effort.
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US Drones Delivered to Ukraine Military

From Poroshenko:
Сьогодні ЗСУ отримали партію безпілотних літальних апаратів системи RQ-11B Raven від США

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Today the ARMED FORCES received a batch of unmanned aircraft system RQ-11B Raven from United States
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Edit: Saw an article saying the drones were worth aprox. $12 million.

If true, and if the price in the Wiki is considered accurate ($173,000 per system, which includes 4 UAVs, 2 GCS and spare parts), that would imply that Ukraine received around 70 systems, or 280 drones.
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Some highlights from recent 'OSCE SMM Ukraine' activity

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Two towed howitzers 2A65 MSTA-B in so-called “DPR”-controlled Kayutyne, night time, violation of Minsk agreement
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Igor Plotnitsky Car Bombing

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For a very rough internet translation (our Russian speakers could do much better, but its all I have at the moment. If someone PMs me with a different translation I'll replace this one):
The head of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic Igor Carpenter in his audiotape accused of trying to assassinate him Ukrainian and American intelligence services. Audio appeal published on the website of Chapter LNR.

Carpenter said that the actions of the Ukrainian intelligence agencies are the United States intelligence agencies and "those who are trying to destabilize the situation in Ukraine and in the whole world."

"Those who are hoping to depose the legitimate authority in the LC - it provocateurs. I think it is not necessary to listen to them, because these people are trying to shake and bring to naught all the things that we are made ", - added the head of the LC.

According to him, "accomplices" of the Ukrainian and American intelligence services are at different points in the LC, and in Russia. "This will be reported to and the President of the Russian Federation [Putin] and the FSB director," - he added.
RT.com - Ukrainian rebel leader injured in 'assassination attempt' blast on car

AP - Separatist Ukrainian leader wounded in Luhansk car bombing

As a side note, Plotnitsky is the same man who also accused the Jews of being behind the Euromaiden a year ago, according to the Jerusalem Post. Perhaps this was just Ukraine's way of saying "shalom"?
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As a side note, Plotnitsky is the same man who also accused the Jews of being behind the Euromaiden a year ago, according to the Jerusalem Post. Perhaps this was just Ukraine's way of saying "shalom"?
I'm sure shalom-sayers in Ukraine have other issues to attend to. Thanks for bringing up this reference to LNR's straw in the eye, it always helps one remember about the Ukraine's massive beam

Ukraine’s Crooked Path

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Regrettably, Bandera and Shukhevych are not the only Ukrainians with dishonorable pedigrees to have been honored. Three months ago, the Ukrainian parliament, the Rada, paid homage to Symon Petliura, its members holding a moment of silence for him.

Petliura, an ethnocentric nationalist, has been accused of having launched a series of pogroms during the Russian civil war which resulted in the deaths of upwards of 50,000 Jews. Yet he, Bandera, Shukhevych and others are now being acclaimed by Ukraine’s government as icons of Ukrainian nationalism.

It’s deplorable that Ukraine is glorifying historical figures with blood on their hands. It sets a bad precedent and stains Ukraine’s image, not only among Jews but in the wider world as well.
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I'm sure shalom-sayers in Ukraine have other issues to attend to. Thanks for bringing up this reference to LNR's straw in the eye, it always helps one remember about the Ukraine's massive beam

Ukraine’s Crooked Path
Another example of how the levels of anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe are so tragically high. Well, all of Europe, really. There's a reason Jews have been leaving the continent in such high numbers.
In the wake of recent terror attacks in Europe — several of which targeted Jewish institutions — some politicians and religious leaders have predicted an exodus of Jewish people from the continent. In some ways, the numbers stack up. Last year, a record 8,000 Jews arrived in Israel from France — with another 15,000 coming from Eastern Europe.
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Oh, on a related note about Jews in Ukraine:

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Why Record Numbers of Ukrainian Jews Are Fleeing to Israel

On a recent afternoon, a large white van pulled up to a red brick building on the outskirts of Dnepropetrovsk, a city in eastern Ukraine. A woman with a plump face and dark eyes stepped out. She smiled hesitantly, looking out at one of several newly built transit centres for displaced Ukrainian Jews.

The driver of the van took care of her bags, unloading a pile of cheap plastic suitcases. The woman, accompanied by her elderly mother and young daughter, had come straight from Mariupol, on the southern edge of Ukraine's war-ravaged Donetsk Oblast. They would spend the night at the center and then, the next day, take a one-way flight to Israel, where they plan to live forever more.

"Sure, we are very sad to go and leave our friends behind. It's all very sad," the woman said, as her mother wept silently into her sleeve. "It's fear and thinking about the future of our children."

Had she ever been to Israel? No. So why move there now? The woman shrugged. Her husband's ancestors were Jewish, she said. "We saw an opportunity and we decided to use it."

In 2015, some 7,500 Jewish people left Ukraine for Israel: up from 6,000 in 2014, and following many years when the flow from Kiev to Jerusalem was little more than a trickle. Most fled from the conflict-ridden east of the country: first westwards, and then across the Black Sea to Tel Aviv.
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Between the conflict and the levels of mistrust to outright hate on either side of the conflict border, there's little reason for Jews to stay in Ukraine - even with a Jewish PM.
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Rumor spreads that an Ukrainian sabotage group tried to attack Crimea from the mainland last night. Eyewitnesses report a sound of firearms and concentration of troops in a Russian border town of Armyansk.
https://lenta.ru/news/2016/08/07/rush/
Still no reliable confirmation to this info.
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Rumor spreads that an Ukrainian sabotage group tried to attack Crimea from the mainland last night. Eyewitnesses report a sound of firearms and concentration of troops in a Russian border town of Armyansk.
https://lenta.ru/news/2016/08/07/rush/
Still no reliable confirmation to this info.
Hearing other reports as well, though nothing fully concrete yet.

http://ru.krymr.com/a/27905979.html
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