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Old 07 Jul 16, 12:44
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Syria's new US-backed force stumbles in first test

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BEIRUT (AP) The call came around noon, about four hours after U.S.-backed Syrian fighters announced they had taken over an air base outside a town held by the Islamic State group near the Iraqi border. "We are trapped. Pray for us," a commander called into the operation room.

Then communication was cut. Six hours later, the exhausted fighters from the group, known as the New Syrian Army, returned to their base in Tanf, nearly 150 miles (240 kilometers) across the desert to the west, having lost four fighters, four vehicles and ammunition.

The swift, humiliating defeat last Wednesday marked the end of a widely advertised offensive launched less than 24 hours earlier with intense U.S.-led air cover. The fighters had hoped to capture Boukamal, a prize possession of IS and the extremist group's last border crossing between Iraq and Syria.
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They retreated 150 miles after losing four dead? How do we pick our side?
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They retreated 150 miles after losing four dead? How do we pick our side?
We are stuck.

We cannot support Assad because we stood against him, alienated him, threatened him, and came pretty close to blowing him up.

We cannot support ISIS and AQ because they're the same Islamic terrorists we swore to fight and they're killing Americans and are destabilizing an already unstable region.

We cannot support the Kurds because that would alienate Turkey, the big neighbor to the north, and the Kurds themselves have not been explicitly anti-Assad anyways.

That leaves us with a very lose collection of anti-government groups that don't fall into the other categories... and they're so hard to define that it becomes a joke. Some of them are no different from AQ, and weeding out who in this group we can actually support is a comedic tragedy.

The article even points out this is the "new" group, considering the last one was also small and pathetic and failed as quickly.

So yes, the US threw itself into a hole on Syria and can't climb out.
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They retreated 150 miles after losing four dead? How do we pick our side?
We got the people the Democrat leadership liked. Unsurprisingly they turned out to be useless.
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Here's a concept--We don't support anyone. It's none of our business and they don't have anything we want or need. There's some times when both sides are equally terrible. In this instance, we're supporting a group that's never going to succeed, so we look weak to both the major parties. We should just stand back, see who wins, and make them our "friends". Dollars usually work...
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Here's a concept--We don't support anyone. It's none of our business and they don't have anything we want or need. There's some times when both sides are equally terrible. In this instance, we're supporting a group that's never going to succeed, so we look weak to both the major parties. We should just stand back, see who wins, and make them our "friends". Dollars usually work...
Unfortunately, we can't disengage either.

If ISIS wins, we have allowed another terrorist-state to rise and the prospect of another Afghanistan campaign looms.

If Assad wins, then he becomes a puppet of Iran and Russia, and the threat of Iran having a nice open border to Lebanon or putting missiles in the Eastern Med worries Americans and their allies.

Of the two, American would probably prefer the latter since a puppet-Syria is a risk, but ISIS Syria would be an aggressive and immediate threat.

And in the end, even the isolationist crowd feel mortally offended at the thought of "appeasement", that dirty word for anytime the US doesn't use force first to oppose a threat.
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Here's a concept--We don't support anyone. It's none of our business and they don't have anything we want or need. There's some times when both sides are equally terrible. In this instance, we're supporting a group that's never going to succeed, so we look weak to both the major parties. We should just stand back, see who wins, and make them our "friends". Dollars usually work...
Or just bomb both sides equally. That way whoever wins is too weak to do anything about us.

We've pumped billions of aid for half a century into the ME, and other than Israel they openly hate us. Instead of worrying about friends, we just need to ensure our enemies live in squalor.
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Or just bomb both sides equally. That way whoever wins is too weak to do anything about us.

We've pumped billions of aid for half a century into the ME, and other than Israel they openly hate us. Instead of worrying about friends, we just need to ensure our enemies live in squalor.
So instead of billions in aid we spend trillions in military expenditures. A winning plan for sure.
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What we end up doing, over and over, is arming ISIS! These groups join ISIS, or just give up either way ISIS gets the booty.
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I hope the best for the Syrian people. Assad has made overtures toward the rebel groups, saying give up your arms and you will be safe.

Russia and Iran are not stopping their support of Syria. Saddam in Iraq had no support when the US invaded in 2003, Assad has support and is up against a far weaker force in ISIL and the other groups. I dont think Assad is going to be forced out... he may step down in the future though.

The US should strongly consider readjusting its position toward Syria. Russia and Iran are not bad guys, they are fighting ISIL just as the US fights ISIL.
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DoD, you spelled Farce wrong...
I'm waiting for the eventual Hollywood film.

I'm picturing a mix of Saving Private Ryan and Keystone Cops.
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