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He should have taken the Gatlings.
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Did you read the article? Never mind.... looking at the pictures will do.
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He should have taken the Gatlings.
The Gatling was not very portable -all those barrels mean weight - not really a cavalry weapon. What might have done the job was the Ager “Coffee Mill" Gun. With only a single air cooled barrel it was much lighter than the Gatling and having a pivoting mount much easier to traverse. The Coffee Mill Gun appears to have been first used at Middleburg, Virginia, on March 29, 1862. Captain Bartlett of the 28th Pennsylvania Regiment described the result: "One of these guns was brought to bear on a squadron of cavalry at 800 yards, and it cut them to pieces terribly, quickly forcing them to fly." However Gatling ran a very effective negative campaign against the wide spread introduction of the Ager
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We Americans surely do like to celebrate our military disasters.

Custer did absolutely everything wrong and paid the ultimate price for it, which included the deaths of the soldiers obliged to follow him. Then. historians did everything possible to place the blame everywhere but where it belonged - solely on the shoulders of Custer.

A century or so later the US Army had still not learned the most vital lesson from the Little Bighorn - technology does not overcome Third World 4G troops fighting on their own territory - in a nation called Viet Nam.
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A century or so later the US Army had still not learned the most vital lesson from the Little Bighorn - technology does not overcome Third World 4G troops fighting on their own territory - in a nation called Viet Nam.
Technology alone does not overcome - a lesson taught by many non American wars. Used with intelligence it can be critical. Compare the Battle of Isandlwana (British disaster) with the Battle of Ulundi (British victory) Zulu War and Abu Klea (British near disaster) with the Battle of Omdurman (British victory) Sudan Wars.
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He should have taken the Gatlings, which he had in inventory but declined to transport OR that coffeegrinder thingy.
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He should have taken the Gatlings, which he had in inventory but declined to transport OR that coffeegrinder thingy.
Perhaps my point about the weight was apposite - they would have slowed him down. In any case the US Army had no doctrine for using machine guns in an offensive operation. As far as I can tell the only offensive use had been by the 56th New York Regiment when on April 21st 1862 Agar guns were used to support an assault on enemy fortified positions, moving up with the attacking force in a manner much like light machine guns on the Western Front in 1917. Normally the machine gun was considered a defensive weapon. So overconfident was Custer that fighting defensively was something he did not expect to have to do.
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He should have taken the Gatlings, which he had in inventory but declined to transport OR that coffeegrinder thingy.

He should have taken his brain with him... not sure if it was in inventory.
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He should have taken his brain with him... not sure if it was in inventory.
Should have kept his command together, should have tried to capture the horse herd, should have created a command environment where Reno and Benteen trusted him.....shoulda, coulda, woulda.....
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Should have been issued the Spencer, Winchester and or Henry repeating rifle rather than the single shot Springfield.
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Should have had two underlings that weren't a disgrace to the Cavalry.

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The following quote has been attributed to Custer
"With the right strategy you need fear no enemy"
Apparently when this was put to Sitting Bull later in Canada he replied to the effect
"Any strategy is useless unless you have enough men to implement it"

Says it all really
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