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Palmyra is liberated!
Russian airforce are in process of exterminating running terrorists which retreat from Palmyra.

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Palmyra is liberated!
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http://www.latimes.com/world/middlee...327-story.html

In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA

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Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter five-year-old*civil war.

The fighting has intensified over the last two months, as*CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other while maneuvering through contested territory on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, U.S. officials and rebel leaders have confirmed.
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In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA
But, but, but the great Liberty-Promoting Goody-Good Western elites and their absolutely free from any government and power elite connections people-serving honestly-reporting media have always said they were all good guys through and through???



I guess this must be Obama's cunning plan. The Good Guys are only fighting each other to find out who of them is Gooder till no stone is left standing and finally the Best one will come out on top! Great solution for the Syrian people suffering from the Bad Boy Tyrant Assad!
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DDR propaganda? The only word he inserted from himself was "relentless". The rest was a Spiegel article.
He changed to place of the word "massive" in order to suggest the *airstrikes* were massive, while the article suggested *the Russian help* to the Assad regime was massive, and quoted only one fact while ignoring the other.

DDR propaganda was subtle, unlike Russian propaganda.
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He changed to place of the word "massive" in order to suggest the *airstrikes* were massive, while the article suggested *the Russian help* to the Assad regime was massive, and quoted only one fact while ignoring the other.

DDR propaganda was subtle, unlike Russian propaganda.
Which is also subtle comparing to western propaganda.
" evil Putin kill my baby " etc....

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Which is also subtle comparing to western propaganda.

" evil Putin kill my baby " etc....

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I meant subtle I the sense that DDR propaganda was less about creating an external enemy and more about stressing the achievements of the communist system -

probably to do with the fact East and West Germans were not as prone to believe exaggerated lies about one another as for example Russians and US Americans are.

Selective quoting and subtle rearrangement of words.
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He changed to place of the word "massive" in order to suggest the *airstrikes* were massive, while the article suggested *the Russian help* to the Assad regime was massive, and quoted only one fact while ignoring the other.

DDR propaganda was subtle, unlike Russian propaganda.
Perhaps you should wake up from your fantasies hot shot, and use google yourself, when you copy and paste a sentence in your web-translater.

You might not always like the results, but do not blame me for it, or put words in my mouth i did not use. Or have I called you dishonest before, that you want to get back this way to me ? And you have not the slightest clue about my POV. Pretty low, I would say.
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Perhaps you should (...)
Perhaps I should :

This is the original quote :

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(...) von der massiven Hilfe durch russische Luftangriffe.
This is what YOU posted :

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(...) With the help of massive and relentless Russian air strikes.
That's why I call DDR propaganda subtle.

Hidden in translation.

Here is as it should be :

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With massive help from Russian airstrikes.
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Perhaps I should :

This is the original quote :



This is what YOU posted :



That's why I call DDR propaganda subtle.

Hidden in translation.
Why is that so important to you ?
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I enjoy it.
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I meant subtle I the sense that DDR propaganda was less about creating an external enemy and more about stressing the achievements of the communist system -

probably to do with the fact East and West Germans were not as prone to believe exaggerated lies about one another as for example Russians and US Americans are.

Selective quoting and subtle rearrangement of words.
I think another form of propaganda is finding ridiculously contrived pretexts, like this slight semantic fault in the opponent's message, in order to start screaming it's all "PROPAGANDA" while in essense he didn't change anything to any significant degree. However, you've got a formal reason to denigrate your opponent by accusing him of "spreading lies and misinformation".

If got a cent every time I found infinitely greater misprepresentations of facts or blatant lies in the Western media about Russia (these articles about Stalin being excellent examples) I would already be a billionaire. However, this is something you aren't so keen to recognise and discuss, alas
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I think another form of propaganda is finding ridiculously contrived pretexts, like this slight semantic fault in the opponent's message, in order to start screaming it's all "PROPAGANDA" while in essense he didn't change anything to any significant degree. However, you've got a formal reason to denigrate your opponent by accusing him of "spreading lies and misinformation".
Well to be fair - I complimented him on his subtle way of doing so
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Well to be fair - I complimented him on his subtle way of doing so
Sometimes I have to question your maturity, when it comes to the way of how you react when confronted with facts and quotes, that do not fit nor confirm into your neo liberal world where you consider yourself at the top of social human evolution. A few other forum members beside SHAA have brought you down from that "Sphere", and it seems that you have a problem landing gently.
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