Originally Posted by Vaeltaja
As to the contents - it is not in any way surprising. Violence and cruelty has already been shown by the both sides of that conflict.
This is why I have you and others in the ignore list and why I should not reply at all to you and your ilk because any answer is going to break forum rules and several laws.
Let's face it. It is for now abundandly proven that you, among others, have been brainwashed into hating Russia and Russians and can't rise above it. You are on the same level as a Nazi from West Ukranian. You will never ever condemn Ukranian attrocities because for you they do not exist, they are Russian propaganda, and the Russians are subhumans so they deserve it.
That's how you come across. You, your Swedish cousin, and an awful lot of people brainwashed by Western mass media of manipulation. If it is not in the TV it does not happen.
But with the internet the evidence is there, if you look for it. I don't even know Russian, but all the videos and testimony are there. Given the circumstances, it is reasonably to assume the worst regarding what happens in Ukraine. Last time a government resigned the monopoly and violence and handed weapons to fanatical extremist militias the outcome was not good. We should be thankful that Ukraine has not become Spain in 1936, but people keep disappearing in Ukraine and when the regime falls and the truth comes out it's going to be as bad as the Argentina junta. And this is not speculation, it is founded fears based on what little has been actually shown.
In Odessa they burned people alive while the cameras are rolling.
It does not take a genius to figure that people sick with such fanatical hate are not going to abide by the Convention of Geneva.
By the way, the Red Cross recognized the novorussians rebels as legitimate combatantas. I am still waiting for any Red Cross inspection of Ukranian prisions or any report on the conditions of prisoners. In this war, even supposedly neutral humanitarian institutions as the Red Cross have failed miserably. They never showed up in Donbass. People would have starved if it weren't for Russian aid convoys. Aid that the Western powers rabidly opposed in spite of Russia making everything possible for international supervision of these convoys.
As for other evidence, there are plenty of videos of shelling of city centers, far from any military target, deliberate war crimes and admitted even by a _Ukranian general on Ukranian TV, and the carnages they caused. Back in the 1990s there were plenty of TV cameras filming what the Serbians were doing to the people of Sarajevo and other places. Why these videos of the slaughter perpetrated by Ukranian bombardments are not shown on Western TV?
Why there is never mention of Donbass people casualties and suffering?
Because people like you don't care, it's only Russians, they are not even human to you.
But when you can't hide anymore the essential evil of the Ukranian nazis, the regime and the people that support them, you make excuses saying the Russians are as bad and both sides are evil.
Not at all. You can't place in the same level murderers and victims. I wonder how that loathsome obnoxious Jew from the USA would react if I said the Nazis and the Jews are the same.
No both sides are not equal. It is West Ukranian troops that are invading a Russian land. They are fighting in foreign soil for all practical purposes, against a foreign people. People in Galitzia and those from Donbass have nothing in common. The westernmost part of Ukraine was never part of Russian lands into 1945. They are invaders and behaving as such. The people in Donbass always wonder, why these horrible Ukranians couldn't just declare independence and go away to pursue their pipe dream about joining "Europe"? They are not even Russian, we want nothing to do with them. Why they came to our lands to kill us?
That's the problem with Ukranian nationalism. They don't want just to break ties with Russia and become independent from Russia. They want all the land of Ukraine, even that wich was never theirs, like Donbass and Crimea. They want the land but without the people, because Ukranian nationalism is defined as the anti Russia.
On the other hand, there is no hate from Russians towards Ukranians, as except those half-Polish mongrels from the west, Ukranian and Russian are the same people.
This is not like Yugoslavia were there was ethnic hatred and scores to settle on every side. All the hate and the attrocities are one-sided. The Donbass rebels are not killing Ukranians because they speak Ukranian or are bombing West Ukranian cities and massacring Ukranian women and children.
All the civilians killed in this war are from Donbass. Ten thousand.
Ukranian dead are soldiers and combatants.
The Novorussian side may not be pure and completely innocent. Nobody is in war. But after all the attrocities perpetrated by Ukranian troops, who don't observe the laws of Ukraine, the Geneva convention nor show the simplest basic humanity, they are morally legitimized to retaliate. Eye for eye and tooth for a tooth. Legally they are justified to execute prisoners from the Ukranian paramilitary nazi militias, as they are not legitimate armed combatants.
Civilians aside, the treatment of the Ukranian prisoners of war has been incomparably better on the Novorussian side. Ukranian conscritps caught prisoners during the uprising were allowed to return home with their famiies. Prisoners caught in the pockets were returned and generally well treated, being fed and received medical care. Even prisoners from nazi militias like those from 'Donbass' batallion caught at Ilovaysk were released, when the novorussians would have been perfectly justified in executing them.
There's no way to spin this. The Ukranian junta is an evil and criminal regime, and their troops are war criminals. And those are facts and there is plenty of proof of this. Is not just because the Russians say it. If you don't want to see it it is your problem. I will turn your argument around. It's Western media and governemts that cannot be trusted because they are hiding the truth and lying.
The Ukranian regime is evil and criminal, Ukranian soldiers are evil and criminal, the Ukranian populace that supports them are evil and criminal.
You might not agree with Russian policies or even dislike Russian people, but there is drawn a line. If you do not condemn the Ukranian attrocities, if you do not demand to put an stop to the war, if you do not criticize the European governments that are funding the Kiev junta so they can carry out this war, you are accomplice by omission. You will not be able to pretend like the Germans after the war, that they did not knew what the Nazis were doing.
If you are not against Ukraine regime and the crimes commited by the Ukranian people, you are as evil and criminal as they are.
If so, then you cannot lecture others on morality, justice, law, human rights, or what is good or evil.
It is a simple choice.