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Spanish Civil War This forum is for discussion of the Spanish Civil War. , this sub-forum appears in the World War II section because Spain was both a training ground for and preview of what was about to break loose in Europe.

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Yes but that doesn't answer the question - if you read "Selling Hitler" you'll find that Kujau sold faked Hitler paintings to at least one Texas oil millionaire. Incidentally News International were one of my clients when I was in management consultancy. I had a team implementing systems in Fortress Wapping. Consequently I was actually in their offices for a client meeting when the news broke that the diaries were fake and they'd been taken for millions not to mention the reputational hit. One of the guys in the meeting was actually the guy who'd signed the cheque on the orders of Chairman Rupert and the advice of Hugh Redwald Trevor-Roper. To say that they weren't exactly concentrating on the matters in hand would be an understatement.
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The volunteers in China had official sanction. The ones who fought for the RAF before WW2 got around the law by claiming to be Canadian.
In fact they were retrospectively exonerated by Roosevelt's Emergency Powers Act in 1942 and BTW they fought with (not for) the RAF during WW2 - the fact that the rest of the USA hadn't got off it's a*se yet didn't stop it from being WW2
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In fact they were retrospectively exonerated by Roosevelt's Emergency Powers Act in 1942 and BTW they fought with (not for) the RAF during WW2 - the fact that the rest of the USA hadn't got off it's a*se yet didn't stop it from being WW2
It wasn't our war. You guys bungled the whole business, from the Rhineland to 'peace in our time', to getting tossed off the Continent in both France and Greece.

You forget that if you kick a man while he is down, be very careful not to let him get back onto his feet.

You were lucky we were there to fill your begging bowl until events drew us in to win both the PTO and ETO for you.
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Funny how ,after your post ,even me ,the sebfrench ,the ultimate admirer of the US civilization,the defender of the memory of your fallen ones ,the one who spent years working with your embassy in order to send back Gi's belongings dug up from normandie , well I finally think : I hope your country will be invaded and that you learn what is a war at home.
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It wasn't our war.
So you sat on your fat backsides until the Japanese hit you at Pearl Harbour and the Germans decimated your merchant fleet in Drumbeat. Really clever that!
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So you sat on your fat backsides until the Japanese hit you at Pearl Harbour and the Germans decimated your merchant fleet in Drumbeat. Really clever that!
Beats getting thrown off the Continent twice, and getting bombed in the blitz. That was bright. You lost more men before we entered the war than we lost in the entire war in the ETO.

If you guys had had an ounce of sense the whole business would have been finished in 1937, and you could have kept your Empire a while longer.
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So how much use were the foreign volunteers to the Republican cause?>

I mean, they lost, but would they have lost faster if they hadn't gotten the extra help?

Was it a real contribution, or just a symbolic gesture?
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I have identified the Hitler/Franco loving murderous fascist thug!

From the book SPAIN IN OUR HEARTS by ADAM HOCHSCHILD:

"but another American, TORKILD RIEBER, was giving Franco a vastly greater gift: an unstinting stream of Texaco oil. The American press continued to ignore the story. .......... No reporter ever learned of some astonishing additional help the company (Texaco) gave Franco. The US government knew that Texaco's lifeline of oil was being shipped, in violation of the American neutrality law, in the company's own fleet of oceangoing tankers, one of the largest in the business. But decades later, in the archives of the Nationalist oil monopoly, a Spanish scholar who had worked for some years as a petrochemical engineer, Guillem Martinez Molinos, discovered something more. RIEBER did not charge for this service. The oil was priced as if Franco were transporting it in his own ship. Not only did Washington know nothing of this large hidden subsidy to the Nationalists (Franco), but neither did Texaco's shareholders, for no mention of it appears in the company's annual reports. Nor, as far as we can tell, did RIEBER bother to inform his board of directors, for it is not recorded in the minutes of their meeting."
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Here's more:

"The corporation (Texaco) made a further remarkable gift to Franco, Martinez has found. Commanders directing the bomber, surface ships, and attack submarines of Franco and his German and Italian allies were always well informed. Tankers carrying oil to the Republic were one of their primary targets: during the war at least 29 of them were attacked, damaged, sunk, or captured. The risk was so high that in the summer of 1937 insurance rates for tankers in the Mediterranean abruptly quadrupled. Something that may have helped make these waters so dangerous, it turns out, is that the Nationalists (Franco) had the aid of an international maritime intelligence network. It belonged to TEXACO."
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Here's how it worked per the book cited:

"The oil company (TEXACO) had offices, installations, and sales agents across the world. Quietly, thanks to RIEBER, orders went out to them. From port cities came cables to the Texaco office in Paris providing details about oil tankers headed for the Republic. From Paris, RIEBER's associate Brewster coordinated this flow of intelligence, passing on to the Nationalists (FRANCO) information he received from London, Istanbul, Marseille, and elsewhere. Some of Brewer's messages listed what quantity of oil, gasoline, or diesel fuel a tanker was carrying and how much the Republicans had paid for it --- strategic intelligence useful for assessing Republican oil supplies and finances. But whenever he could, he delighted in relaying information that could be used by a bomber pilot or submarine captain looking for targets."
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Here's more from SPAIN IN OUR HEARTS:

"This Rieber did, with gusto, selling Texaco oil to the Nazis, ordering tankers from Hamburg shipyards, and traveling to Germany after the Polish blitzkrieg so that Hermann Goring could take him on a tour by air of key industrial sites. On that trip he spent a weekend at the Luftwaffe commander's country estate, Carinhall, soon to be extravagantly decorated with art treasures looted from across Europe."
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This fellow https://www.amazon.com/Magazine-Texa.../dp/B01I46EJNA
Also co founder of ARAMCO later to be Saudi Aramco
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Thank you! Excellent find and appreciate you posting this at this noble forum. I was unaware of his having co-founded ARAMCO but am not surprised. This man is in serious need of further investigation by professional historians as I have a feeling he is seriously connected with many secret operations the US govt. would rather not come to light of the American people. I would start if I was a gifted professional historian, which I am not, with the Dulles brother's law firm as it is surely done extensive work and relationship with this criminal's operations in Europe with the fascists. I had no evidence that they were connected but they were on the same modes of operations and as it is said "birds of the same feather flock together".
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Here's more teaser from the highly recommended book: SPAIN IN OUR HEARTS:

"For Goring, Rieber did several significant favors, which included facilitating the operations of Gerhardt Westrick, a high-powered German lobbyist-cum-intelligence agent. Westrick worked out of an office at Texaco headquarters, drove a Buick Rieber loaned him, and entertained American businessmen at a Scarsdale mansion rented from a Texaco lawyer. In June 1940, immediately after France surrendered to the invading Nazis, Rieber and Westrick took part in a celebratory dinner in a private room at New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, where executives of Ford, General Motors, Eastman Kodak, and other companies talked about the prospects for American cooperation with the Nazi regime that seemed certain to dominate Europe for the foreseeable future. Germany would be a good credit risk for American loans, Westrick said, and there should definitely be no more of this nonsense of selling US arms to the British."
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