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American Revolution 1763-1789 The birth of a new nation - to commence at the Proclaimation of 1763 to the end of the Articles of Confederation.

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Worth remembering that the original North American colonies were founded before the Anglo Scottish Union and were English colonies not British. Scotland had attempted to plant a colony in the Americas but this had proved a costly failure
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They are idiots - England is one of four countries (each with a separate history and identity) that make up (deep breath) The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. For a non-English speaker, this is tolerable (just) for an English native-speaker it's unacceptable.

"Britain, " "The United Kingdom," "The UK," and even "GB," are acceptable abbreviations, "England," is not.

A citizen of these isles is, "British," unless he tells you otherwise (we tend to default to our countries of origin) e.g. my passport describes me as a British Citizen, but I give my nationality as Scottish.

As to the Crown, Her Grace Elizabeth (or Her Majesty Elizabeth II) sits on the throne because she is the 19th great-granddaughter of Robert I, King of Scots (you may've heard of him).
She is actually one of many, probably a few thousand, including moi, who number Robert I amongst our ancestors. She is also related, like me and thousands of others to half of the historic nobilty of Europe, and even beyond.
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She is actually one of many, probably a few thousand, including moi, who number Robert I amongst our ancestors. She is also related, like me and thousands of others to half of the historic nobilty of Europe, and even beyond.
And she actually sits on he throne because she is the eldest daughter of George VI all the rest is mere collateral
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And she actually sits on he throne because she is the eldest daughter of George VI all the rest is mere collateral
It might also be added that Charles II was less entrenched than his dad, and that the beginnings of a constitutional Parliament led monarchy permitted a reining back of the extremes of republicanism.
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So...

If Britain is such an unhomegenous animal, welded together dysfunctionally by difference as mush as anything, why is it that european outsiders can percieve little difference when they go overseas?

Someone that does not have an ear for English linguistic difference might be fooled completely that everyone from the British Isles and colonies, (all the westerners, that is) are culturally very much more same than different.

Even Welsh people in australia seem to blend in to a seemless whole of POMS, and have to, more often than not, state specifically that they are from wales for most to be able to discern the difference.

It is the French and Germans that have kept their culture and language as same as they can to their barabrian and Gallic ancestry. The British have changed the most, assimilated culture in the best traditions of the roman empire.

In fact, the way in which many Ancient Britons took up the mantle of being members of the roman empire may have spurred them on to create a very contemporary copy of the roman Impertor Stsate more than everyone realises. Rome itself was only a small area, and the differences between Romans and other tribes of the /italian peninsula were marked, requiring many small conflicts, (like against the smanites, or the Etrusca), before an empire as a psychological entity was even thought of.

Romanization of conquered peoples mirrors the Anglicization of other European tribes. But the one difference between the roman empire and the empire the sun Never Set On was that the Romans never saw themselves as homogenous at all. subjugated subject peoples were always seen to be still part of their former tribes, and outsiders to rome saw this difference as soon as they entered the city.

The anglo-empire, on the other hand, sees tribal difference only from its own view; everyone else sees us as rather much "The Same" as the other tribal holdver groups in our region.

funny, though, how genetic markers can still surface. My daughter, from a mixed Maori mother and a Greek Danish-australian father, has blonde eyebrows and blonde streaks in her hair. Why? Because she harks back to our mutual scandinavian ancestry. Those genes must have breathed a "sigh" of relief on meeting eachother again after being parted for so lone. Genetics has a way of resurfacing.
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Dreadfully off topic, but so is everyone else.
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So...

If Britain is such an unhomegenous animal, welded together dysfunctionally by difference as mush as anything, why is it that european outsiders can percieve little difference when they go overseas?

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Lack of discernment and wit. I've had to rescue a number of people who, to use the infamous quote from Cecil R "had not won first prize in the lottery of life" from receiving a Glasga kiss from an enraged wee Jock and on one occasion from a battering by a large gentleman from Omagh.
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They are idiots - England is one of four countries (each with a separate history and identity) that make up (deep breath) The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. For a non-English speaker, this is tolerable (just) for an English native-speaker it's unacceptable.

"Britain, " "The United Kingdom," "The UK," and even "GB," are acceptable abbreviations, "England," is not.

A citizen of these isles is, "British," unless he tells you otherwise (we tend to default to our countries of origin) e.g. my passport describes me as a British Citizen, but I give my nationality as Scottish.

As to the Crown, Her Grace Elizabeth (or Her Majesty Elizabeth II) sits on the throne because she is the 19th great-granddaughter of Robert I, King of Scots (you may've heard of him).
I hate to burst your bubble, genius, but Americans really don't give a **** about your problem with England. We did not fight for freedom from Scotland or Ireland but England. And I don't care what your shitizenship in relationship to England is.

And the bitch on the throne is not related through direct male descent to anyone of royal blood regardless of what it may say on her pet-ag-ree.
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Given that Paine was never in military service he was never court martialed get your facts right. He was tried in absentia in December 1792 in the Court of King's Bench for libel

Paine wasn't so much a pro independence supporter as an anti monarchist and saw the American experience as but one step in the process of ridding the world of monarchies
Correct. The individual who first suggested we declare our Independence was none other than General Charles Lee.

He was also the only one of the Founding Fathers to tell the King of England off to his face.

So, they started his court martial precisely on July 4th...
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Nope - he was a traitor from the beginnings and actively trying to throw the war so that England would win.

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Correct. The individual who first suggested we declare our Independence was none other than General Charles Lee.

He was also the only one of the Founding Fathers to tell the King of England off to his face.

So, they started his court martial precisely on July 4th...
He was one of the Founding Fathers? Are you sure you have your Lee's straight. Aren't you mistaking him for Francis Lightfoot Lee?
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Correct. The individual who first suggested we declare our Independence was none other than General Charles Lee.

He was also the only one of the Founding Fathers to tell the King of England off to his face.

So, they started his court martial precisely on July 4th...
Sure about that, are we ? Tell us about his interview with George III.
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He was one of the Founding Fathers? Are you sure you have your Lee's straight. Aren't you mistaking him for Francis Lightfoot Lee?
I recognize him as one of the Founding Fathers even though the establishment does not and, no, I am not mistaking him for anyone else. General Charles Lee was also the first one to suggest, duh, that the country form an army for the upcoming revolution.
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Sure about that, are we ? Tell us about his interview with George III.
"During a face-to-face meeting with the king, who declined to offer the desired command, Lee rebuked the monarch and swore that he would never give the king an opportunity to break another promise."

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1117.html

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