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Do you think ISIS or the Islamists/Jihadis would be less hostile? Those are your two other realistic choices for Syria.
If we continue to help just enough to drag the fighting out, it won't matter. Syria wasn't all that much since the Soviets stop handing out free hardware, and every day that passed beats its infrastructure down even more.

The point is to keep them killing each other and tearing their nations apart.
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Do you think ISIS or the Islamists/Jihadis would be less hostile? Those are your two other realistic choices for Syria.
Which interestingly enough is also Assad's doing. He may be the lesser evil over there but it is worth bearing in mind that he did his best to ensure it ended up that way by eliminating the most moderate of his enemies first leaving himself the best of a lot of bad choices.
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The point is to keep them killing each other and tearing their nations apart.
Which is easy enough for you to say, ensconced behind the Atlantic Ocean, but for Europe it means more waves of refugees. This, without mentioning the fact that the longer this civil war goes on, the more people are killed, including countless numbers who have nothing to do with the sectarian fighting.
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Which is easy enough for you to say, ensconced behind the Atlantic Ocean, but for Europe it means more waves of refugees. This, without mentioning the fact that the longer this civil war goes on, the more people are killed, including countless numbers who have nothing to do with the sectarian fighting.
But it seems neither side really cares about the deaths of civilians outside of their own supporters. And no external power is willing to intervene militarily on humanitarian grounds.
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But it seems neither side really cares about the deaths of civilians outside of their own supporters. And no external power is willing to intervene militarily on humanitarian grounds.
That sort of what the USA did with regard to Iraq in 2003, look how it turned out. Saddam's regime being brutally repressive to opposition within his country, "humanitarian" interests/NGOs wanting "something done about it" ...
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But it seems neither side really cares about the deaths of civilians outside of their own supporters. And no external power is willing to intervene militarily on humanitarian grounds.
Which is why the best solution now is to back whichever side has the best chance of putting an end to the war and re-establish and some sort of workable government. And if this can be conjoined with some sort of international accord backed by both the US and Russia - even better.
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Which is easy enough for you to say, ensconced behind the Atlantic Ocean, but for Europe it means more waves of refugees. This, without mentioning the fact that the longer this civil war goes on, the more people are killed, including countless numbers who have nothing to do with the sectarian fighting.
Then send in European troops. Your problem, you fix it.

All Syria is for the USA is an opportunity to kill musim radicals
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That sort of what the USA did with regard to Iraq in 2003, look how it turned out. Saddam's regime being brutally repressive to opposition within his country, "humanitarian" interests/NGOs wanting "something done about it" ...
The US didn't invade Iraq on humanitarian grounds.
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The US didn't invade Iraq on humanitarian grounds.
That was the purpose behind regime change and one of the dozen plus I presented earlier in another thread.

Main point is that some will often cry for military intervention for "humanitarian reasons", then bitch about the ham-fisted use of the military when it is used. And usually it's not the military of their nation, nor one they are a member of that they are willing to use in such a way.

Other point being such needs to be expressed in more precision and specifics of whom where, how and what targets, etc.

If one goes with the inaccurate wag that "one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter", than equally applying is one persons humanitarian soldier is another persons oppressor stormtrooper.
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That was the purpose behind regime change and one of the dozen plus I presented earlier in another thread.
But not in Iraq.

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Main point is that some will often cry for military intervention for "humanitarian reasons", then bitch about the ham-fisted use of the military when it is used. And usually it's not the military of their nation, nor one they are a member of that they are willing to use in such a way.

Other point being such needs to be expressed in more precision and specifics of whom where, how and what targets, etc.

If one goes with the inaccurate wag that "one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter", than equally applying is one persons humanitarian soldier is another persons oppressor stormtrooper.
Sure.
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That was the purpose behind regime change and one of the dozen plus I presented earlier in another thread.

Main point is that some will often cry for military intervention for "humanitarian reasons", then bitch about the ham-fisted use of the military when it is used. And usually it's not the military of their nation, nor one they are a member of that they are willing to use in such a way.

Other point being such needs to be expressed in more precision and specifics of whom where, how and what targets, etc.

If one goes with the inaccurate wag that "one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter", than equally applying is one persons humanitarian soldier is another persons oppressor stormtrooper.
Exactly. If Europe is concerned about Syria, they can send in their own troops.
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Not seeing a lot of Hungarian articles on here.
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Exactly. If Europe is concerned about Syria, they can send in their own troops.
If you mean by this that the US should stay out of it, then I would heartily agree...
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If you mean by this that the US should stay out of it, then I would heartily agree...
Problem cannot go to toilets before consulting US first. But even that is not needed since US listens our phones...
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If you mean by this that the US should stay out of it, then I would heartily agree...
No, we'll keep bombing. No sense in passing up an opportunity to kill radicals.

While we're not interested in fixing the issue, we need to be present to ensure that if or when it does get fixed, that it is fixed in a manner acceptable to our interests.
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