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This will be a recurring feature in the Modern Conflict forum, appearing every two to four weeks. Please feel free to submit military terminology that you would like to know the origin of.

1. reconaissance - from obsolete French reconnoitre (recognize) <-- Latin recognoscere (know again). Recognize also comes from this Latin root word.
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FUBAR - from the ancient Germanic for "Sir, it isn't working again."
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LIEUTENANT (noun) A person who holds a position auxiliary to another and assumes some of the superior's responsibilities. -Roget's

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ETYMOLOGY: Middle English "deputy" from Old French lieu-tenant "place-holder" (in the sense of replacement).

HISTORY: Through the Age Of Sail, naval lieutenants were 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. according to their seniority. Army lieutenants (a "rank" or military position first noted in the 1300's), on the other hand, were always deputies of a higher rank: thus, "Lieutenant" alone meant an Army Captain's deputy, Lieutenant-Colenel the Colenel's deputy, etc. Not until the mid 1800's were Naval and Army Lieutenants formed into their current ranks: Lt jg & Lt, 2nd & 1st Lt, etc.

BRITISH: I love how the British pronounce this as 'Leftenant,' that is SO COOL!
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BRITISH: I love how the British pronounce this as 'Leftenant,' that is SO COOL!
But of course...

In contrast, I like the German pronunciation - "Loit-nant".

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But of course...

In contrast, I like the German pronunciation - "Loit-nant".

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I always thought the Brits were ordering a bug to turn left... you know-
"left-turn-ant..."
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FUBAR - from the ancient Germanic for "Sir, it isn't working again."
SNAFU - ancient Germanic for "The Lieutenant continued to ignore the Platoon Sgt.'s advice"
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HISTORY: Through the Age Of Sail, naval lieutenants were 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. according to their seniority. Army lieutenants (a "rank" or military position first noted in the 1300's), on the other hand, were always deputies of a higher rank: thus, "Lieutenant" alone meant an Army Captain's deputy, Lieutenant-Colenel the Colenel's deputy, etc. Not until the mid 1800's were Naval and Army Lieutenants formed into their current ranks: Lt jg & Lt, 2nd & 1st Lt, etc.
During the South's all-too-short independence, Artillery companies (as they were called then) had four lieutenants, a senior and junior first lieutenant, and a senior and junior second lieutenant.

During the war with Mexico, the Army still had Ensigns, but I'm not sure if the officers in that position were the most junior second lieutenant, or if they were junior to all the lieutenants in a company. This rank is now used only by the Navy, of course, for it's most junior commissioned officers.
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During the South's all-too-short independence, Artillery companies (as they were called then) had four lieutenants, a senior and junior first lieutenant, and a senior and junior second lieutenant.

During the war with Mexico, the Army still had Ensigns, but I'm not sure if the officers in that position were the most junior second lieutenant, or if they were junior to all the lieutenants in a company. This rank is now used only by the Navy, of course, for it's most junior commissioned officers.

If I recall correctly the Ensigns in the US Army ranked behind 2nd Lieutenants. They were the bridge between Cadets the real officers. I think they were the equivelant of WOs back then.
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hooah (hoo ah) adj., adv., n., v., conj., interj., excla. [Orig. unknown] Slang. 1. Referring to or meaning anything and everything except "no". 2. What to say when at a loss for words. 3.a. Good copy. b. Roger. c. Solid copy. d. Good. e. Great. f. Message received. g. Understood. h. Acknowledged. 4.a. Glad to meet you. b. Welcome. 5. "All right!" 6.a. I don't know the answer, but I'll check on it. b. I haven't the foggiest idea. 7. I am not listening. 8. "That is enough of your drivel; sit down!" 9. Yes. 10. "You've got to be kidding me!" 11. Thank you. 12. Go to the next slide. 13. You've taken the correct action. 14. I don't know what that means, but I'm too embarassed to ask for clarification. 15. Squared away (He's pretty hooah.) 16. Amen!


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hooah (hoo ah) adj., adv., n., v., conj., interj., excla. [Orig. unknown] Slang. 1. Referring to or meaning anything and everything except "no". 2. What to say when at a loss for words. 3.a. Good copy. b. Roger. c. Solid copy. d. Good. e. Great. f. Message received. g. Understood. h. Acknowledged. 4.a. Glad to meet you. b. Welcome. 5. "All right!" 6.a. I don't know the answer, but I'll check on it. b. I haven't the foggiest idea. 7. I am not listening. 8. "That is enough of your drivel; sit down!" 9. Yes. 10. "You've got to be kidding me!" 11. Thank you. 12. Go to the next slide. 13. You've taken the correct action. 14. I don't know what that means, but I'm too embarassed to ask for clarification. 15. Squared away (He's pretty hooah.) 16. Amen!


Thank you so much for posting this - I've always wondered...

Anyone know when "Hooah" first came into use?

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OOO-Rah!: Marines
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Does the word' Battalion', come from the medieval english formation of bowmen known as a 'battle?'...

Or has it have another kind of relationship to the word 'to do battle'?...
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Does the word' Battalion', come from the medieval english formation of bowmen known as a 'battle?'...

Or has it have another kind of relationship to the word 'to do battle'?...
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Sorry meant to press the 'edit',

anyway,

how about the navy's Aye, aye?

Where does the word Sir, come from?
(I know it has something to do with knighthood...)

A teaser,
do you know what the ww2 era brit military slang term 'Stonk' stands for???
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