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Old 28 Jan 16, 04:26
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BTW a good point. I wounder what would be a reaction of our American colleagues if one of Russians told them to "stop shooting kids at schools" or tried to seriously invoke that thing in an argument about ....say merits of US foreign policy. I guess most would think that he is a idiot.
Happens all the time . There is a minority that are always defensive but the majority are quite happy to discuss and in may cases confirm or agree with points that are made by non Americans. This is largely the same with Europe, Canada and so forth. It's the main difference I see with the Russian forum in my time at ACG. Certain people won't like that but there you go. If people are unable to self reflect that's their problem.
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I understand the discussion has been derailed already, but I would be happy if Andy or craven found the time to answer the questions I asked them. Maybe it will even take the thread back on track.
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There is a minority that are always defensive but the majority are quite happy to discuss and in may cases confirm or agree with points that are made by non Americans.
The point was not about discussing, agreeing or disagreeing but about using such arguments as ultima ratio and an idea of collective guilt.
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So Russia doesn't have agents of influence in the West as far as you're concerned ?
Have few but far less than Israel or Saudis. For example, I just listened a radio broadcast this morning where invited guest complained about a virtual absence of Russian political lobby in the United States. Then there are political forces in Europe who are interested in normalizing relation with Russia based on their own interests. There are those who are critical of the present establishment and their policies again based on their own views. Labeling both as "Russian agents" is pure paranoia.
To continue the analogy there were certainly some Soviet spies in the West in 1940s-50s. Yet it doesn't make McCarthyism a reasonable policy.
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That's a bad analogy. The KGB did one of the finest infiltration jobs that any intelligence service had ever done particularly with MI6. Men like James Jesus Angleton retired embittered men.I would imagine the Lubyanka thought McCarthyism to be an absolute hoot. See many think I have a disrespect for Russians. Actually the opposite is true. I have many times I this forum said the western attitude to Russia I the year followinb the ussr was short sighted and stupid.I just don't think it a conspiracy that this kind of influential espionage is done. It's been a strategy of Moscow going way back. Head if NATO was lambasted by the environment lobby for commenting that Russia was trying to influnce western fracking policy through lobby groups. Id be surprised if they weren't doing it. It's business. In the long run I think it's bad business but that's the game.

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Well, here is a characteristic piece of text from those glorious times:
http://www.rense.com/general79/hd3.htm
If it doesn't cause any feeling of discomfort, then I don't know... we must have a very different worldview apparently.
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Anyone who writes anything positive about Russia - or at the very least doesn't bark at it with froth at the mouth is branded an "influencer", just another slightly subtler "commie under your bed" label.
Not only anyone positive about Russia but basically anyone who dares to criticize the present political establishment, there many examples in the article linked.
A perfect example BTW:
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com...a-is-to-blame/
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Meanwhile a new front of Russian hybrid war is opened. A major Lithuanian retail company Maxima LT claims that a criticism of high grocery prices in their market chain is "inspired by Putin's agents". The company promised to send a complaint to the Lithuanian State Security Department to investigate this case of subversive activity.
Lithuania switched to euro from the national currency from 1 January 2015 which caused a rapid rise of foodstuff prices. Currently many products cost times more than in neighbor Poland. Angry Lithuanians have run a mass action to boycott major retail companies beginning from 10 May to protest the prices growth.
https://lenta.ru/articles/2016/05/13/cabbagerevolution/
I wonder if there is any fact of life which won't be declared a result of Russian conspiracy.
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So Russia is to blame for some country problems which was stupid enough to use euro.

This is new level of stupidity.

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So Russia is to blame for some country problems which was stupid enough to use euro.
Doesn't really have anything to do with euro. What has happened is that prices have skyrocketed for one reason or another (at least for a certain retailer) - and that the campaign to boycott that retailer has been organized via social media. Keep in mind that it wasn't Lithuania which was blaming Russia for it, but the retailer. Given that they actually plan to deliver something to the officials they seem to have something in their possession which they believe amounts to evidence of sorts.

Keep in mind that euro is not to blame for some one abusing the change to euro. It is the people who abuse the change that are.
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This is new level of stupidity.
Well, blaming others for own faults is pretty convenient.
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Some more news from Baltic: "Russia is already waging a low-intensity hybrid war against Estonia" a group of Estonian politicians said on a national broadcast on 17 February.
Looks like the term "hybrid war" is a perfect marker to recognize idiots.
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I have to admit, I don't really understand the Russian politics when it comes to the Baltic countries (disclaimer: this is a geographic term, I am not impying Estonians are Balts)

If Russian minorities don't like it there and feel threatened, they would have emigrated to a larger degree. If they are persecuted, surely they would have fled in the past 25 years.

On the political field, the Russian complaints about SS marches and historical revisionism are completely pointless and fruitless. They, along with Poland, are the most ardent anti-Russian European NATO countries, right there with Sweden and a large part of Finland.


Therefore: cut the oil and gas transit, cargo routes/transit and every concievable economic cooperation. Down to the last bit. Go for self-sufficiency. Build a 'UUUUUGE wall thereafter. The countries may be beautiful, but they have little strategic value, rather bad soil and climate, and practically no strategic resources. A hypothetical NATO force stationed there would be quickly isolated and annihilated: the countries themselves have little military power.
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Therefore: cut the oil and gas transit, cargo routes/transit and every concievable economic cooperation.
That was happening gradually in the last decades. The traffic is moving more and more to Russia ports. Worth to mention that beginning from 2000 Russia has built the largest cargo port in the Baltic Sea(Ust-Luga) practically from nothing.
The situation is an interesting rebuttal of the usual liberal thesis that internal trade and economic globalization in general must somehow smooth and harmonize international relations. Although the Baltic states were much dependent on Russian transit and Russian market in general they always held a violently anti-Russian position politically and never missed a single chance to prickle Russia even against their best economical interests. Politics take an upper hand over economy.
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Meanwhile Swedish commentators say that Russian agents might be involved in the fall of a 300-meter TV mast in the South Sweden on 15 May. Russian embassy officially protests against accusations:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2756009
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Leaders of a Polish opposition party are arrested as suspected Russian spies:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...skorski-spying

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