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This article argues that the current ways of conceptualizing and understanding Russian warfare are flawed. To improve this, this article reviews the current ways of approaching Russian warfare from post-independence to after Ukraine. Then, we investigate Russian warfare from the four spectrums of military, informational, economic, and energy, and from political influence operations. From this, we propose the concept of Full-Spectrum Conflict that captures the use of violent and non-violent means as well as the conduct of conflict in differing degrees of intensity from peace to war and the space in between. This remedies the problem of conceptualizing, and hopefully understanding, the conduct of Russian conflict.
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Frankly, it's a load of tripe you can find in any standard "Russia bad" article in any Western media. You can start from the fact that the opinions of virulent, over-the-top brazen critics of Russia and its current regime are exclusively taken into account, like Pomerantsev and Shevtsova. Anyone who writes anything positive about Russia - or at the very least doesn't bark at it with froth at the mouth is branded an "influencer", just another slightly subtler "commie under your bed" label. Then finally it plunges into high sophistry, where it speaks about Saakashvili starting a war and excusing him by basically saying "Russia bad, because when it defends its financial interests, it means wringing hands". I suppose, when the US or EU handles its negotiations, it hands out freebies like there's no tomorrow and goes to extreme lengths not to cause any inconvenience to its trade partners anywhere in the world. In short, another massively biased and one-sided propaganda article.
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Frankly, it's a load of tripe you can find in any standard "Russia bad" article in any Western media. You can start from the fact that the opinions of virulent, over-the-top brazen critics of Russia and its current regime are exclusively taken into account, like Pomerantsev and Shevtsova. Anyone who writes anything positive about Russia - or at the very least doesn't bark at it with froth at the mouth is branded an "influencer", just another slightly subtler "commie under your bed" label. Then finally it plunges into high sophistry, where it speaks about Saakashvili starting a war and excusing him by basically saying "Russia bad, because when it defends its financial interests, it means wringing hands". I suppose, when the US or EU handles its negotiations, it hands out freebies like there's no tomorrow and goes to extreme lengths not to cause any inconvenience to its trade partners anywhere in the world. In short, another massively biased and one-sided propaganda article.
Hi ShAA

Well were all entitled to an opinion but I thought that 'Russia' wasn't portrayed in that bad a light, especially against the more biased articles I've seen published elsewhere in the western media. In fact after reading some of the noted articles, I was more 'impressed' with Russian thinking on some matters.
Anyway as I said everyones entitled to their own opinion, and I leave it at that and others can add or detract accordingly

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Well were all entitled to an opinion but I thought that 'Russia' wasn't portrayed in that bad a light, especially against the more biased articles I've seen published elsewhere in the western media. In fact after reading some of the noted articles, I was more 'impressed' with Russian thinking on some matters.
Anyway as I said everyones entitled to their own opinion, and I leave it at that and others can add or detract accordingly

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I agree this is not the hit job that Shaa portrays it to be. It basically provides an interesting analysis.
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I agree this is not the hit job that Shaa portrays it to be. It basically provides an interesting analysis.
It is, because it uses sentences to marginalize and disqualify dissenting opinions that counter the western corporate media :

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Anyone who writes anything positive about Russia - or at the very least doesn't bark at it with froth at the mouth is branded an "influencer", just another slightly subtler "commie under your bed" label.
Not only anyone positive about Russia but basically anyone who dares to criticize the present political establishment, there many examples in the article linked. Which explains their interest in that set of mind. Sounds like a new incarnation of McCarthyism to me.
The problem with the article is that while the war is a continuation of the policy by violent means the article assumes that all means to achieve political means are war or conflict. Which is simply nonsense. And one gem I like the most:
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The most significant example was probably the 2008 Georgian War, where President Mikhail Saakashvili was provoked into ordering the initial fire
the 1939 Polish War where Adolf Hitler was provoked into ordering the initial fire, he-he
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I agree this is not the hit job that Shaa portrays it to be. It basically provides an interesting analysis.
It isn't a slavish pro Moscow piece therefore it's Cold War style propoganda . These boys only do zero sum games remember.
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It isn't a slavish pro Moscow piece therefore it's Cold War style propoganda .
Thank you for providing an illustration for the point made. And, yes, a search for Moscow agents under a bed is certainly a cold-war style thinking in its worst. Do you really believe in that conspiracy stuff?
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It isn't a slavish pro Moscow piece therefore it's Cold War style propoganda . These boys only do zero sum games remember.
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a search for Moscow agents under a bed is certainly a cold-war style thinking in its worst.
Sure, those idiots have their soul-mates in Russia
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Yet Mr. Soloviev doesn't write articles in peer-reviewed journals. Fortunately.
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Yet Mr. Soloviev doesn't write articles in peer-reviewed journals. Fortunately.
British scientists are so British scientists. There are reasons for this maxim to exist.
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Thank you for providing an illustration for the point made.
Yep, he quite elegantly shot himself in the foot with that post. He's only good at spitting potshots from his imaginary high horse and going personal, while avoiding saying anything substantial on the subject, but he's hopeless in any discussion requiring knowledge and intellect.
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Hi ShAA

Well were all entitled to an opinion but I thought that 'Russia' wasn't portrayed in that bad a light, especially against the more biased articles I've seen published elsewhere in the western media. In fact after reading some of the noted articles, I was more 'impressed' with Russian thinking on some matters.
Anyway as I said everyones entitled to their own opinion, and I leave it at that and others can add or detract accordingly

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I agree this is not the hit job that Shaa portrays it to be. It basically provides an interesting analysis.
Gentlemen, I'd still like to hear a somewhat better founded critique of my comment than "uhm, I don't think so".

I would like you to express your agreement or disagreement with the following points with a more detailed explanation than the one you made above.

1. What are your criteria for "biased"? In this article, every move by Russia is called "agressive" or outright "criminal". By this logic a "more biased" article should be "we must nuke Russia NOW!"

Seriously, I'm wondering what your benchmarks are?

2. The author cherry picked the sources on the controversial claims he made. He relies exclusively on the kind of brazen radical critics who are strongly negative about Russia, deny it any national interests and present the current situation in the darkest colours possible. It's the equivalent of interviewing Noam Chomsky and Edward Snowden on the situation in teh USA. No "moderates" have been quoted. It's one of the hallmarks of any good propaganda - out of a multitude of sources you only cherry-pick the ones which confirm the theory you need to prove.

3. As Artyom has also noted, it goes as far in presenting Russia in a bad light as twisting the direct aggression of Saakashvili into something "forced" by Russia without even saying how but vaguely describing it as "pressure". I mean, how far can you go in calling "black" as "white" only in order to "stick it to Russia"?
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Dude. Such paranoia ill suits you. No one wants to thump you and yours. Quite frankly I think that most of us would welcome you to join in the 'war on terror'.

Yeah I see that you guys are fighting in Syria and I've changed my mind about assad. That being said, quit killing journalists and let them report freely...

Dude, really bad track record...
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Yep, he quite elegantly shot himself in the foot with that post. He's only good at spitting potshots from his imaginary high horse and going personal, while avoiding saying anything substantial on the subject, but he's hopeless in any discussion requiring knowledge and intellect.
Oh how will I sleep tonight ?! say something genuinely self reflective about Russian foreign policy or accept a critique from a non Russian source that can be discussed without a blanket nationalist response, possibly stop apologising for killing anti Putin journalists or discuss with some level why despite having so many resources Russia's consitently outperformed by much smaller nations (mostly western) and I might take this seriously.

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