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Old 04 Dec 15, 12:15
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Time to at least start breaking the NRA stranglehold over craven, cowed and compliant congress?

Brilliant stuff yet again from the 'Daily News'!
God, prayers and puerile platitudes are most definitely NOT GONNA fix this.
People however, eventually probably will.

Just needs one or more courageous politico's or individuals to stare down these nutters and the ball to actually get legislation passed will start rolling properly.

It's gonna have to happen sooner or later.
Probably gonna be longer and harder than the struggle for civil rights.

What the hell is the matter with your politicians over there for Pete's sake?
JUST HOW DOES THE NRA exert so much influence?
Money?, lobbyists?, hand on heart homages to the constitution?

Hmmmm...interesting year 2016 coming up methinks.

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I love it when people from other countries try to tell America what it must do. Absolutely knee-slapping.
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They agree with their audience and find clever ways to express that agreement.

That's still the best way to gain influence.

You should take tuition on the subject - you would exert more influence in this manner
Wrong. It's about millions of Americans who understand their rights and will not rely on others to keep them safe from those that would harm them or take their property. It's called independence and having some balls, which is why America is the go-to country to help those who are too scared and unprepared to protect themselves. It's in our culture, despite the efforts of immigrated progressives and the attempts by European nations to diminish our stature by vilifying us one minute, then asking us for more troops to defend them the next.
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I love it when people from other countries try to tell America what it must do. Absolutely knee-slapping.
That's a two-way street, you know. Add to this the expats from both sides of the ponds. So at least we know there's enough comedy for everyone.
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Lodestar, you're a madman!
He's more coherent when he's on his meds.
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Wrong. It's about millions of Americans who understand their rights and will not rely on others to keep them safe from those that would harm them or take their property. It's called independence and having some balls, which is why America is the go-to country to help those who are too scared and unprepared to protect themselves. It's in our culture, despite the efforts of immigrated progressives and the attempts by European nations to diminish our stature by vilifying us one minute, then asking us for more troops to defend them the next.
Or asking for a whole of money...
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I'll be concerned about doing something about the NRA when something is done about rabid environmental groups, abortion groups (pro and anti), pro illegal immigration groups, and a plethora of other special interests that influence politicians.
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Don't forget all the racist agitators and pretty much every union.
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This thread is making me want to buy and new gun just to keep the gun industry rolling...
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CNN repeatedly mentioned how many people have been killed in 'mass shootings' this year, as if this was somehow related to the terrorist attack in San Bernardino. They mentioned that this year about 450 people have been killed in what they term mass shootings, which are shootings where more than one person is killed or injured. This includes gang drive-by's , domestic disputes, etc. as well as the publicized shootings by loonies.
450 is a lot but there are around 320 million people in the US. 450 is a very small number in reality...by comparison 32,000 or so people in the US are killed in motor vehicle accidents each year. No one publicizes motor vehicle accidents so people overseas don't get too worried about those. No one's trying to get cars outlawed, or complaining about the lobbyists the auto industry has in DC. According to the CDC in 2013 over 30,000 people in the US were killed in accidental falls, and 38,851 were killed by accidental poisoning. I'm actually more shocked by these numbers than by the number of mass shooting deaths...I think we might want to consider banning anything more than 6 feet high so we can cut down on all those fatalities, and don't get me started on poison.
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Time to at least start breaking the NRA stranglehold over craven, cowed and compliant congress?

Brilliant stuff yet again from the 'Daily News'!
God, prayers and puerile platitudes are most definitely NOT GONNA fix this.
People however, eventually probably will.

Just needs one or more courageous politico's or individuals to stare down these nutters and the ball to actually get legislation passed will start rolling properly.

It's gonna have to happen sooner or later.
Probably gonna be longer and harder than the struggle for civil rights.

What the hell is the matter with your politicians over there for Pete's sake?
JUST HOW DOES THE NRA exert so much influence?
Money?, lobbyists?, hand on heart homages to the constitution?

Hmmmm...interesting year 2016 coming up methinks.

lodestar makes it a point of personal honour and public policy never to engage his brain before opening his mouth.... an approach which to date has yielded brilliance, sheer brilliance.

Regards lodestar
I disagree, these shootings are not caused by guns but rather by mental illness and/or obsession with a particular ideology (radical Islam, anti-abortion, etc). We might as well focus on mind control!

Furthermore we Americans have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Secondly, even if we somehow got a serious piece of gun control through Congress it would take decades to see a noticeable effect ... assuming of course that it dident lead to a rebellion.
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I disagree, these shootings are not caused by guns but rather by mental illness and/or obsession with a particular ideology (radical Islam, anti-abortion, etc). We might as well focus on mind control!

Furthermore we Americans have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Secondly, even if we somehow got a serious piece of gun control through Congress it would take decades to see a noticeable effect ... assuming of course that it dident lead to a rebellion.
Given the rulings of the USSC in the last fifteen years, the possibility of a significant gun control statute surviving challenges is slender.

And given the rise of 3d printers, the future of practical gun control is very minimalistic at best. The LE journals have frequent discussions of that technology's impact of weapons access.

As usual, lodestar's efforts to attract the attention that he failed to receive as a child is based upon complete ignorance. The NRA is exactly what the Founding fathers designed when they formed this country: a group of concerned citizens effectively interacting with their elected representatives to impact public policy.

Democracy, in other words.
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I'll be concerned about doing something about the NRA when something is done about rabid environmental groups, abortion groups (pro and anti), pro illegal immigration groups, and a plethora of other special interests that influence politicians.
Agreed. the NRA is at the bottom of my list of concerns. The Democrats are at the top, followed by the organizations you listed, and including the ACLU.
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Time to at least start breaking the NRA stranglehold over craven, cowed and compliant congress?

Brilliant stuff yet again from the 'Daily News'!
God, prayers and puerile platitudes are most definitely NOT GONNA fix this.
People however, eventually probably will.

Just needs one or more courageous politico's or individuals to stare down these nutters and the ball to actually get legislation passed will start rolling properly.

It's gonna have to happen sooner or later.
Probably gonna be longer and harder than the struggle for civil rights.

What the hell is the matter with your politicians over there for Pete's sake?
JUST HOW DOES THE NRA exert so much influence?
Money?, lobbyists?, hand on heart homages to the constitution?

Hmmmm...interesting year 2016 coming up methinks.

lodestar makes it a point of personal honour and public policy never to engage his brain before opening his mouth.... an approach which to date has yielded brilliance, sheer brilliance.

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