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Defeating Islamic Jihad

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Ideas Tactical to Strategic; place them here ...
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Dabiq, Syria

Dabiq, Syria

One interesting item to consider is that Islamic 'end times' scripture has the forces of Islam meeting the 'forces of Rome" in final battle at Dabiq, Syria ...

Opportunity here ...
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One of the many informative and useful items presented in Beck's book; "It IS About Islam" is the following from chapter four;

The Future of Terrorism: What al-Qaida Really Wants

By Yassin Musharbash
If there is anyone who might possibly have an inkling as to what al-Qaida are up to, it is the Jordanian journalist Fouad Hussein. He has not only spent time in prison with al-Zarqawi, but has also managed make contact with many of the network's leaders. Based on correspondence with these sources, he has now brought out a book detailing the organization's master plan.

Aug. 12,2005

There must be something particularly trustworthy about the Jordanian journalist Fouad Hussein. After all, he has managed to get some of the the most sought after terrorists to open up to him. Maybe it helped that they spent time together in prison many years ago -- when Hussein was a political prisoner he successfully negotiated for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to be released from solitary confinement. Or is it because of the honest and direct way in which he puts his ideas onto paper? Whatever the reason, the result is that a film which Hussein made about al-Zarqawi has even been shown on al-Qaida affiliated Web sites. "That showed me that they at least felt understood," the journalist says.
....
An Islamic Caliphate in Seven Easy Steps
In the introduction, the Jordanian journalist writes, "I interviewed a whole range of al-Qaida members with different ideologies to get an idea of how the war between the terrorists and Washington would develop in the future." What he then describes between pages 202 and 213 is a scenario, proof both of the terrorists' blindness as well as their brutal single-mindedness. In seven phases the terror network hopes to establish an Islamic caliphate which the West will then be too weak to fight.
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  • The First Phase Known as "the awakening" -- this has already been carried out and was supposed to have lasted from 2000 to 2003, or more precisely from the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington to the fall of Baghdad in 2003. The aim of the attacks of 9/11 was to provoke the US into declaring war on the Islamic world and thereby "awakening" Muslims. "The first phase was judged by the strategists and masterminds behind al-Qaida as very successful," writes Hussein. "The battle field was opened up and the Americans and their allies became a closer and easier target." The terrorist network is also reported as being satisfied that its message can now be heard "everywhere."
  • The Second Phase "Opening Eyes" is, according to Hussein's definition, the period we are now in and should last until 2006. Hussein says the terrorists hope to make the western conspiracy aware of the "Islamic community." Hussein believes this is a phase in which al-Qaida wants an organization to develop into a movement. The network is banking on recruiting young men during this period. Iraq should become the center for all global operations, with an "army" set up there and bases established in other Arabic states.
  • The Third Phase This is described as "Arising and Standing Up" and should last from 2007 to 2010. "There will be a focus on Syria," prophesies Hussein, based on what his sources told him. The fighting cadres are supposedly already prepared and some are in Iraq. Attacks on Turkey and -- even more explosive -- in Israel are predicted. Al-Qaida's masterminds hope that attacks on Israel will help the terrorist group become a recognized organization. The author also believes that countries neighboring Iraq, such as Jordan, are also in danger.
  • The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Hussein writes that al-Qaida will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated Arabic governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within al-Qaida." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.
  • The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.
  • The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of "total confrontation." As soon as the caliphate has been declared the "Islamic army" it will instigate the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden.
  • The Seventh Phase This final stage is described as "definitive victory." Hussein writes that in the terrorists' eyes, because the rest of the world will be so beaten down by the "one-and-a-half billion Muslims," the caliphate will undoubtedly succeed. This phase should be completed by 2020, although the war shouldn't last longer than two years.

...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-369448.html

Beck's book examines this seven phase plan, to be implemented from 2000 - 2020 and makes the case that five of the seven phases have been completed and fairly on schedule. We are currently in the sixth phase ...

Note this came out just over ten years ago ... yet seems to have gotten little traction/press in Western MSM
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Well, with great firmness anyway.

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And indeed the Crusades and the Reconquista - although in some instances the initial aims sadly went a bit off base from time-to-time.



If Islam chooses to make 'war' by all means, then we must counter by a superior 'all means' approach - in attack and in defence. Polemics as well as apologetics.

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And the US Marines against the Barbary pirates. 'From the halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli'.

And indeed the Crusades and the Reconquista - although in some instances the initial aims sadly went a bit off base from time-to-time.

If Islam chooses to make 'war' by all means, then we must counter by a superior 'all means' approach - in attack and in defence. Polemics as well as apologetics.
In fact the US effort, despite the song, was a failure. The Beys signed agreements that they'd stop slaving and released a few American seamen and when the US ships sailed home for tea and medals started up again. It took an Anglo Dutch fleet of line of battle ships under Sir Edward Pellew in 1816 to sort it out. A quick ultimatum and it sailed into Algiers and blew most of the Barbary ships and most ot the harbour defences to kingdom come . They then repeated the process in a couple of other ports and made it clear that they were prepared to keep on doing it. Thousands of Christian slaves were freed and the slave raids finally stopped.
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MarkV - Didn't Bey actually sign two agreement copies, one in English and one in Arabic - he 'natuarally' assumed that they both were of the same content, but that unbeknown to him, the Arabic version actually had him surrendering to the A-rabs. A case of 'taqiyya' ['Holy Deception'], methinks.
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Given that the Beys referred to were the virtually independent Ottoman rulers one suspects they could read Arabic and wouldn't be surrendering to any Arabs.
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The Jihadist Trap of Here and Now

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... there are other facets of strategy that will influence the war for the soul of jihadism. Specifically, I am talking about time and place. Both al Qaeda and the Islamic State seek to establish a global caliphate, but both differ quite starkly in how to accomplish this task and how soon it can be achieved.
https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/jiha...p-here-and-now
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Given that the Beys referred to were the virtually independent Ottoman rulers one suspects they could read Arabic and wouldn't be surrendering to any Arabs.
The Treaty of Tripoli seems to have been a right pigs ear, according to a wiki article:

The translation of the Treaty of Tripoli by Barlow has been questioned, and it has been disputed whether Article 11 in the English version of the treaty ratified by the U.S. Senate corresponds to anything of the same purport in the Arabic version.[19]
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A thread titled defeating Jewish Mitzvahs would be just as incorrect as this threads title. Jihad, like Mitzvahs are a part of Judaism, is a part of Islam.


Jihad means to feed the poor, eliminate homelessness, and for example fight the Nazis during WW2 as many Muslims did. Jihad means to fight ISIL, to make the world a better place. I can understand how a Muslim would be upset with some person who views ISIL as Jihadists. Suggesting that ISIL or Al Qaeda are carrying out Jihad is like saying a Mitvah means to kill innocent non Jews.
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Folks like G David Bock, think about how there are in fact Middle eastern Muslims who are just like us Americans. If someone like me is offended by this thread title, I can only imagine what Muslims feel by this thread title.



To actually see Muslims saying that Jihad means an inner struggle..one would think this would be enough for Anti Muslims to stop their bullying.


I take issue with any person who claims that ISIL is following Jihad while completely ignoring Muslims who say ISIL is not following Jihad..

Why hurt the feelings of Muslims by insulting Islam? The thing is ISIL is not following the ways of Islam. Why in the world would some person not want to say to their fellow Muslim American hey man your good...I'm not stupid I know that ISIL is full of terrorists who want to harm innocents and that you Muslims are good people. What I see from some Anti Muslims is similar to how some non KKK members would agree with Klan positions on Jews and Blacks... It was not enough for a person to say to a bully, hang on a second Jews and blacks are good people, these types of words are meaningless to the bully.

Clearly the better approach for folks like G David Bock is to celebrate the Muslims whom are correctly carrying out Jihad by donating money to the poor or in some cases fighting against ISIL.

Amazingly though I have in fact been harassed by a tiny # of ACG posters for saying that ISIL is not carrying out Jihad and that ISIL is wrong and its the true Muslims who carry out Jihad whom are making this world a better place.



But man, what a way to anger peaceful Muslims by telling them that a part of their religion is bad.

The Future of Terrorism: What al-Qaida Really Wants

By Yassin Musharbash
If there is anyone who might possibly have an inkling as to what al-Qaida are up to, it is the Jordanian journalist Fouad Hussein. He has not only spent time in prison with al-Zarqawi, but has also managed make contact with many of the network's leaders. Based on correspondence with these sources, he has now brought out a book detailing the organization's master plan.

Aug. 12,2005

There must be something particularly trustworthy about the Jordanian journalist Fouad Hussein. After all, he has managed to get some of the the most sought after terrorists to open up to him. Maybe it helped that they spent time together in prison many years ago -- when Hussein was a political prisoner he successfully negotiated for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to be released from solitary confinement. Or is it because of the honest and direct way in which he puts his ideas onto paper? Whatever the reason, the result is that a film which Hussein made about al-Zarqawi has even been shown on al-Qaida affiliated Web sites. "That showed me that they at least felt understood," the journalist says.
....
An Islamic Caliphate in Seven Easy Steps
In the introduction, the Jordanian journalist writes, "I interviewed a whole range of al-Qaida members with different ideologies to get an idea of how the war between the terrorists and Washington would develop in the future." What he then describes between pages 202 and 213 is a scenario, proof both of the terrorists' blindness as well as their brutal single-mindedness. In seven phases the terror network hopes to establish an Islamic caliphate which the West will then be too weak to fight.
....

The First Phase Known as "the awakening" -- this has already been carried out and was supposed to have lasted from 2000 to 2003, or more precisely from the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington to the fall of Baghdad in 2003. The aim of the attacks of 9/11 was to provoke the US into declaring war on the Islamic world and thereby "awakening" Muslims. "The first phase was judged by the strategists and masterminds behind al-Qaida as very successful," writes Hussein. "The battle field was opened up and the Americans and their allies became a closer and easier target." The terrorist network is also reported as being satisfied that its message can now be heard "everywhere."
The Second Phase "Opening Eyes" is, according to Hussein's definition, the period we are now in and should last until 2006. Hussein says the terrorists hope to make the western conspiracy aware of the "Islamic community." Hussein believes this is a phase in which al-Qaida wants an organization to develop into a movement. The network is banking on recruiting young men during this period. Iraq should become the center for all global operations, with an "army" set up there and bases established in other Arabic states.
The Third Phase This is described as "Arising and Standing Up" and should last from 2007 to 2010. "There will be a focus on Syria," prophesies Hussein, based on what his sources told him. The fighting cadres are supposedly already prepared and some are in Iraq. Attacks on Turkey and -- even more explosive -- in Israel are predicted. Al-Qaida's masterminds hope that attacks on Israel will help the terrorist group become a recognized organization. The author also believes that countries neighboring Iraq, such as Jordan, are also in danger.
The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Hussein writes that al-Qaida will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated Arabic governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within al-Qaida." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.
The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.
The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of "total confrontation." As soon as the caliphate has been declared the "Islamic army" it will instigate the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden.
The Seventh Phase This final stage is described as "definitive victory." Hussein writes that in the terrorists' eyes, because the rest of the world will be so beaten down by the "one-and-a-half billion Muslims," the caliphate will undoubtedly succeed. This phase should be completed by 2020, although the war shouldn't last longer than two years.



The true Muslims continue to rise up and carry out Jihad by defeating ISIL in battle, by working with Christians in the fight against ISIL, and by donating money to the poor. There are so many Muslims out there who want to make this world a better place. I'm talking about Muslims such as Mohammad Gulab, Gulab saved the life of American Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrel.


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The Jihadist Trap of Here and Now



https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/jiha...p-here-and-now
Step one is incorrect as well as being pointlessly offensive to Muslims.

I am surprised to see an ACG moderator get involved with and seemignly agree with these folks who suggest that Islam is the problem. Is Scott Stewart even a Muslim? Not that non Muslims do not have a say, but clearly Steward is incorrect about Jihad.

Currently the white house does not use terms like Islamic extremism. The folks who suggest that ISIL is carrying out Jihad are generally non Military type folks such as Robert Spencer, Glenn Beck, as well as some retired US military personal working for fox news. I look to Muslims as well as Centcom as to how I view this war against ISIL.

Gcoyote, have you ever taken a look at what Muslims themselves have to say about Jihad? Or even have you had the chance to take a look at what the US state dept and Centcom say about the war on ISIL?

http://myjihad.org/

Take a look at Centcoms website which on a daily basis talks about the fight against ISIL terrorists as opposed to calling ISIL extremist Muslims or Jihadists.

http://www.centcom.mil/en/news/artic...esolve-success

I suppose some of the ignorant folks may now consider Centcom to be a Muslim terror organization. I am thankful that most Americans, as well as the active military leaders and white house personal do not go around suggesting that Islam is the enemy...as this would be a pointless, stupid approach.


Just imagine if someone like myself legitimately told others that the foundations of Judaism are intolerant... that for example a Mitzvah is a commandment to enslave the Goyim(non Jews) and that too many Jews of the world are indifferent toward Jewish terrorists. Some of language that folks use toward Muslims is the language of a bully. In fact some of the Anti Muslims are so pathetic that they have to make up lies about folks in a debate. An Anti Muslim might lie about person A by suggesting that person A is a bigot toward Jews..even though person A might argue that to suggest Jihad is a bad thing is the same as suggesting that Mitzvahs are a bad thing.

The fact that some folks of the world have negative views toward Judaism, reminds of the way that some folks of the world have negative views toward Islam. Thomas Jefferson once held an Iftar dinner for Muslims. Some Americans really need to educate themselves on Muslims.
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