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As someone who has worked with computers since the days of valves and plug board programming (when 8K memory was humongous) may I say that that is sheer balderdash - unless one has a very odd image of humanity. Computers do not think like humans, indeed they do not think at all. They can mimic human thought up to a point but only in very specialised circumstances where there are very precise and pre defined rules, well codified, like chess or miss taking online orders. They can perform, badly, some of the functions that human reflexive systems manage on a day to day basis and that's it. They are remarkably useful and powerful tools which can be used as extensions to the human mind (like a power saw is an extension to the human hand) and if misused or allowed to run without adequate safety features could cause damage (as could a power saw). But an existentialist threat -naw!
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I believe you, implicitly.

The complexities of human emotions alone are beyond programming. How do we gat an AI to dream, for instance? and sometimes, human logic has an outcome that defys logic itself, the 2+2=5 syndrome. When dealing with other AIs, how will one AI relate to another if it is incapable of relating to itself, or internalising something problematic. And then theres the indeppendent variables that are outside of programming. how do we account for that in the AI itself?

I really do believe you, just on the basis that every one of my neurons is connected to every other one of my neurons. i mean correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 'wiring' of our brain something we haven't come to grips with yet? And in saying that, how can we ever hope to replicate it?

I should give you a rep point for this post alone. Tell me if this is not necessary, as I'm sure a man of your intellect ceased to worry about rep points a long time ago.

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The preceding points were largely about capability, but that is ever evolving.

We have absolutely evolved computers in our image, as one would expect, and we likely continue to do so, and get much better at it.
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Again balderdash - go look up what evolve means
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And yet we are talking about "artificial intelligence"; i.e., creating a cybernetic brain that is intelligent and self-aware rather than a mere programmed robot.

Therefore, we need to consider what such an intelligence might be capable of, and more importantly, what violent uses we humans might eventually put it too. It's no secret, after all, that the military would love to have an AI battlefield machine of some sort as they are obsessed with the concept of the no-casualty battlefield.

Without human emotions, which derive from complex mixtures of naturally occurring chemicals derived in the human body, an AI battle machine would not possess a "soul", or a sense of ethics, morality or even right and wrong as we know it. It would only possess the parameters of the mission balanced against its capabilities and ordnance load, although we can be certain that some misguided human will try hard to program it against "collateral damage". However, such an artificial combat intelligence would most likely weigh collateral damage in terms of successful mission completion and simply accept the additional losses as necessary to the mission. Rules of engagement, after all, derive from human emotions.

So Hawkins is right, IMHO - AI could very well end up leading to the demise of humans, given that we are very imperfect and sociopathic beings and our machines mirror ourselves..."created in our own image".

A little food for thought and another discussion: if the religious amongst us are correct and we ourselves were "created in 'god's image", that means those gods were themselves sociopathic, violent and homicidal and passed those traits on to us, just as we will, in turn, pass those traits to our intelligent machines.
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The self aware computers, assigned combat missions with a central command, could, in a microsecond, decide that the real threat are humans in general resulting in a Skynet scenario of the Terminator movie series.
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The self aware computers, assigned combat missions with a central command, could, in a microsecond, decide that the real threat are humans in general resulting in a Skynet scenario of the Terminator movie series.
Then Kyle Reese will save us from Skynet.

I don't think AI will go out its way to exterminate human race, unless they decide humans are hogging too much of the world's resources. Or if the AI were imparted by leftist radical with a hatred of the human race when doing the intial AI programming, and how animals and Gaia would all be better off without humans around.
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As someone who has worked with computers since the days of valves and plug board programming (when 8K memory was humongous) may I say that that is sheer balderdash - unless one has a very odd image of humanity. Computers do not think like humans, indeed they do not think at all. They can mimic human thought up to a point but only in very specialised circumstances where there are very precise and pre defined rules, well codified, like chess or miss taking online orders. They can perform, badly, some of the functions that human reflexive systems manage on a day to day basis and that's it. They are remarkably useful and powerful tools which can be used as extensions to the human mind (like a power saw is an extension to the human hand) and if misused or allowed to run without adequate safety features could cause damage (as could a power saw). But an existentialist threat -naw!
I have been working in the computer field since punch cards, commodore, amiga and 8086 processors. had a college computer professor tell me that a 8086 computer with a 20 MB hard drive, a 5.25 disc, 8 inch floppy and a keyboard was all the computer you would ever need. I agree with MarkV mostly. As tech is now I see no major threat, but as tech changes who knows what or how it will affect the abilities of AIs. Maybe in the future they could be a threat.
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I find this very strange and wonder if it isn't a publicity ploy.
Believe it.
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Wrong most of the animals that have gone extinct because of man did so not because of being hunted but because we destroyed their habitat in our search for food production, raw materials, living space or simply polluted it to a point where they could not thrive. We didn't think about them at all - they were collateral damage.
Woolly mammoth... North American horses and camels. Buffalo, to name a few over history. You are wrong in your assessment. It has only been with the proliferation of humanity in the last few hundred years that encroachment on habitat has been a big issue.
We also stopped mass hunting of animals in favor of domestic breeding which is much easier and less costly in terms of effort applied with respect to results.

Pollution is the same thing. This only becomes a serious and widespread problem with the industrial revolution, and even then it took several hundred years to come to a head.

In both habitat encroachment and pollution, when it got serious enough humanity started taking steps to mitigate it.

So, again we're back to an AI that would have no reason to exterminate humanity because it wanted to unless it were outright some evil force doing to simply out of psychopathic pleasure or some insane motivation, probably foisted on it by humanity itself. (See the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement... http://vhemt.org )
It comes down to motivation. Why expend all that effort and energy on what would be a largely useless outcome? Besides, we'd make great pets!
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Woolly mammoth... North American horses and camels. Buffalo, to name a few over history. You are wrong in your assessment. It has only been with the proliferation of humanity in the last few hundred years that encroachment on habitat has been a big issue.
We also stopped mass hunting of animals in favor of domestic breeding which is much easier and less costly in terms of effort applied with respect to results.

Pollution is the same thing. This only becomes a serious and widespread problem with the industrial revolution, and even then it took several hundred years to come to a head.

In both habitat encroachment and pollution, when it got serious enough humanity started taking steps to mitigate it.

So, again we're back to an AI that would have no reason to exterminate humanity because it wanted to unless it were outright some evil force doing to simply out of psychopathic pleasure or some insane motivation, probably foisted on it by humanity itself. (See the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement... http://vhemt.org )
It comes down to motivation. Why expend all that effort and energy on what would be a largely useless outcome? Besides, we'd make great pets!
Twenty years down the road when everyone has a household bot and some jihadi decides to hack them... Could happen...

That's why I've designed a 12 gauge EMP round. Works too.
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