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There must be a more efficient being in the universe than bags of blood which squirt all over when a hole is punched in us?
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There must be a more efficient being in the universe than bags of blood which squirt all over when a hole is punched in us?
But likely not via natural evolutionary processes. We supposedly are a better design of ape/chimp and the 99% DNA match would seem to support our close relationship to same. But the 1% differences seem to have left us with not so strong and stout a body (not very suited for au'naturale living) as our close animal relatives; in trade for better intelligence, communication and tool making skills.

With the tech, industry and civilization such a trade off can eventually produce, then the door opens to biological modification of design and enter "cyborg".

Quite possible we will (have?) encountered some Modified Biological Entities (MBEs).
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Interesting thread. Like Karri said, though, it depends on a myriad of factors including the planet's gravity, atmosphere, which biome type the intelligence evolved in, etc. Perhaps a land-based life form might vaguely resemble a human in that it may have a head, torso, arms and legs, but I wouldn't expect a case of "Mork and Mindy" anytime soon!
I think it would very much depend on the specific circumstances under which the first "life" evolves - for example

1. The size of the "pool" in which the life first starts-both in an absolute sense and in the sense of the relative size of this pool relative to other similar pools on the planet and to other completely different types of pools. Meaning that the first life will by definition by using energy resources available unchecked, until the resources are used up, or

2. The original resources are so fouled/altered by the energy consuming process, that the process is limited - or it breaks off into separate development processes.
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It also would depend on the normal radiation levels surrounding a world, which cause mutations and could lead to something vastly different becoming the dominant sentient life form, and why would they need to be humanoid at all?

If Mankind has not evolved, it is possible that whales and dolphins would be the dominant sentient life forms on Earth, but living a perfect environment that provides for their every need, they require to ability to manipulate their environment and thus could survive pretty much forever without structures or machinery or technology.

Sharks are prehistoric and still with us, as are crocodiles and a number of other species. So why is being able to manipulate the environment an advantage? Answer is...it isn't.

It is entirely possible, however, that insectoid species could become dominant, and with the potential power of a hive mind, billions of parallel computers, could possibly develop a radically different technology and civilization.

I think it is presumptuous of us to think that we are the best possible design in the universe.
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Here's another "conventional" view that goes out to some extremes;
What Would Aliens Look Like?

http://gizmodo.com/what-would-aliens...ike-1798358337


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"I’ll put “life” in quotes due to it being a very vague term in regards to aliens. We have carbon-based life. But there’s theories for sulphur-based and other chemistries to form some biological structures. “Life” could mean anything from microscopic blue cupcake-loving worms to sentient snorkels that like polka—not necessarily human-like. Not necessarily intelligent either."
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[ Thing is, the Periodic Table of Elements and basic rules of chemistry show that carbon based is the easier to attain. Sulfur, silicon, etc. types of "lifeforms" require more unique, extreme, and low-probability conditions than carbon and/or significant absense of carbon, which would appear to be very rare in the Universe.]
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"Evolution relies heavily on chance events, so there’s no reason to expect that the history of life as we’ve seen it on Earth would play out the same on other planets. And yet, we see cases on our own world in which similar environments seem to pull for creatures that are built the same. ..."
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[Nature appears to display economy in life-form design with many designs being generic to the point of universal. In the case of intellignet life that might also be space faring, one needs an environment that supports fire and metal ore melting and a creature with both a mind and extemeities (hands/fingers ?) that can manipulate tools and materials. Economy of design and ergonomics suggest some basic patterns, including something that would be "hominid" like.]
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http://gizmodo.com/what-would-aliens...ike-1798358337
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I think it is presumptuous of us to think that we are the best possible design in the universe.
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I think it is presumptuous of us to think that we are the best possible design in the universe.
Or even the only design in the universe. We are after all just the intelligent and technological savvy one that has reached the very wobbly pinnacle on Earth. Others that evolved in slightly different environments on different planets may exhibit different characteristics. Given my current back problems I would question if we are the best possible design for Earth - we are simply the one design that evolved that was the one that won. It is quite possible that evolutionary chance or a brighter intelligent designer could have come up with something better. Humans were "good enough" to win. Good enough can be still far from the best possible.
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Or even the only design in the universe. We are after all just the intelligent and technological savvy one that has reached the very wobbly pinnacle on Earth. Others that evolved in slightly different environments on different planets may exhibit different characteristics. Given my current back problems I would question if we are the best possible design for Earth - we are simply the one that evolved that was the one that won. It is quite possible that evolutionary chance or a brighter intelligent designer could have come up with something better. Humans were "good enough" to win. Good enough can be still far from the best possible.
This. We're the (current) end result of the evolution of a little fish who got a backbone. On other worlds something else may have been the best survivor.
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This. We're the (current) end result of the evolution of a little fish who got a backbone. On other worlds something else may have been the best survivor.
No it goes back further than that - one has to evolve a back bone before you get a fish. We might sat we are the end result of an organism that evolved into an animal rather than a fungus or a plant. It's possible to consider an environment where a sophisticated slime mold could evolve into a far more adaptive and flexible creature than we are.
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No it goes back further than that - one has to evolve a back bone before you get a fish. We might sat we are the end result of an organism that evolved into an animal rather than a fungus or a plant. It's possible to consider an environment where a sophisticated slime mold could evolve into a far more adaptive and flexible creature than we are.
Reminds me of BOB, one of the creatures in the Monsters v Aliens movie.

B.O.B., short for Benzoate Ostylezene Bicarbonate, is a blue one-eyed indestructible gelatinous...

http://monstersvsaliens.wikia.com/wiki/B.O.B.
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No it goes back further than that - one has to evolve a back bone before you get a fish. We might sat we are the end result of an organism that evolved into an animal rather than a fungus or a plant. It's possible to consider an environment where a sophisticated slime mold could evolve into a far more adaptive and flexible creature than we are.
fish = sea creature.
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Increasingly I am finding more humans who look, at least sound, like aliens.
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humans have many physical--not to mention mental--problems:
impacted teeth, knees, back--discs, ..some are genetic-some from use
..then you have the natural diseases
humans are far from perfect....this is not even going into the mental issues
...if not off topic--this is proof of evolution...sure, I know--the creationists' answers are: it's god's plan.....it's because of man's fall--impacted teeth because of ''sin''??!!??
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humans have many physical--not to mention mental--problems:
impacted teeth, knees, back--discs, ..some are genetic-some from use
..then you have the natural diseases
humans are far from perfect....this is not even going into the mental issues
...if not off topic--this is proof of evolution...sure, I know--the creationists' answers are: it's god's plan.....it's because of man's fall--impacted teeth because of ''sin''??!!??
Jesus said- "Satan has bound this crippled woman for eighteen years" (Luke 13:16), then he cured her.
The moral?- God's plan is perfect but that horned creep likes messing it up..

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