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China Did Something Last Week That ... Should ‘Send a Chill Down Your Spine’

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“They’ve launched all-out economic warfare,” Buttrill said. “China devalued their currency, kicking off the biggest fall in over two decades. Why would a country do that to themselves? Sounds like a mistake, right? But China makes most of their money off exports, so they need a lower currency value in order to keep pumping out those cheap, plastic, ‘Made in China’ toys our kids have.”

Buttrill said the move could create a “tsunami of deflation” in western economies, leading to skyrocketing unemployment.

“But the Chinese aren’t stupid. Why are they triggering an economic war if it could crush the global economy?” he continued. “We need to look at this in context of what their overall goal is. They want to get away from that export driven economy, reduce the number of ‘Made in China’ junk shipped around the globe, and transform into a consumer-based economy [like] we have.”

Buttrill said the Chinese are betting the move will give them a short-term boost strong enough to “propel them all the way through this massive economic transformation.”

“Here’s the second part, and this is crucial,” he concluded. “China is trying to destroy the dollar. They want to be the world reserve currency, and if severe deflation kicks off a depression in the western world, the opportunity will be there for this to actually happen. … We’re seeing the beginnings of a dangerous, non-conventional war.”
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A real "catch-all" on what is likely the main driver of competition and/or conflict. Resources and markets have often been the issues contested that have lead to warfare. So here a thread to discuss this theme in general and specific ...
By 1860 the Southern States were making Billions of dollars. With an enterprise the North could not match. They voted to leave the Union.
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Resources(=a source or supply from which benefit is produced), be that land, people, minerals, water etc.

More for me less for you, if there's not enough to pass around.
That's the fallacy of the zero sum game.
In reality economics is not zero sum. Wealth is created. Very obvious examples are Germany and Japan. Both went into ww2 with an objective of taking rescources from others. Both lost.
Both dramatically changed their outlook and instead of being predator countries they became producers and traders. They are both vastly wealthier now than at the height of their military power without conquering anybody.

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That's the fallacy of the zero sum game.
In reality economics is not zero sum. Wealth is created. Very obvious examples are Germany and Japan. Both went into ww2 with an objective of taking rescources from others. Both lost.
Both dramatically changed their outlook and instead of being predator countries they became producers and traders. They are both vastly wealthier now than at the height of their military power without conquering anybody.

War is caused by lazy jealous people.
Over simplistic.
Some wealth can be created and some is in fixed supply in the short to medium term at least. Water falls into the second category. Mineral supplies tend to fall into this category also. Over the long term you may be able to improve extraction techniques to get a bigger percentage out of the ground but effectively you can't create it. Your only alternatives are to find more sources of supply( but these may be in someone else's territory), use what finite supply you have more efficiently (but it will inevitably run out eventually) or find a substitute (not always possible). Rare earths are a good example - essential in many hi tech products accessible supplies are proving limited and ever increasing world demand for products using them is only being met by increasingly more efficient use (so you need less per product) but there is a finite limit on how much you can do this
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Over simplistic.
Some wealth can be created and some is in fixed supply in the short to medium term at least. Water falls into the second category. Mineral supplies tend to fall into this category also. Over the long term you may be able to improve extraction techniques to get a bigger percentage out of the ground but effectively you can't create it. Your only alternatives are to find more sources of supply( but these may be in someone else's territory), use what finite supply you have more efficiently (but it will inevitably run out eventually) or find a substitute (not always possible). Rare earths are a good example - essential in many hi tech products accessible supplies are proving limited and ever increasing world demand for products using them is only being met by increasingly more efficient use (so you need less per product) but there is a finite limit on how much you can do this
There isn't an ounce more gold, or any other element on Earth now than there was one hundred years ago nor is there any more land or water. Yet we are vastly more wealthy than our forebears. Wealth is not limited it just takes work to create.
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There isn't an ounce more gold, or any other element on Earth now than there was one hundred years ago nor is there any more land or water. Yet we are vastly more wealthy than our forebears. Wealth is not limited it just takes work to create.
^ Yup, which is why this might fit here rather than as a separate thread.

How about a step back to basics for a moment. The following is a concept(formula) I came across a few decades ago which still applies. Concerns the creation of Wealth;

Human Energy, times Tools; plus Natural Resources equals Wealth

Human Energy is basically people doing things to provide necessities and/or luxuries of living.

Tools range from Knowledge~Skills~Craftsmanship to needed implements; picks/shovels/axes/plows up to factories with machinery and transportation systems, etc.

Natural Resources can be the soil~with fertilizer, water, and carbon dioxide where one plants and grows crops for food and material to the mineral and metal ores extracted from the Earth's surface, etc.

Wealth is Goods and/or Services that have Market Value.

Market Value means others are willing to exchange their goods/services for the goods/services you produce.

If you want a formula (oh gawd, here comes algebra) it would be;

(HE x T) + NR = W

MONEY is one of those "Tools" which provides two main concepts;
1) A means by which we can measure Wealth, assign Values.
2) A device to circumvent the cumbersome process of barter, thereby facilitating the more efficient exchange of Goods and Services (in the Market Place).

Technically Money is not Wealth, but many tend to confuse the two and often apply interchangeably. Not very accurate and tends to confuse dialogue on either topic.
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How Does the U.S. Economy Compare to the World’s?

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In the 1970s, Americans grew up with two myths.
The first myth was that the Soviet Union would dominate the U.S. militarily. The second myth was that the Japanese would dominate the U.S. economically.
With the Soviet Union erased from the present-day map of the world and the Japanese stock market falling to below levels it last traded at in May of 1986, both fears seem almost quaint today.
Yet, until a year ago, the conventional wisdom that Brazil, Russia, India and China — the BRIC countries — were set to dominate the United States was just as compelling.
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Despite the high economic growth rates of developing nations, the United States is by far the world’s wealthiest nation, as measured by gross domestic product (GDP) — the broadest measure of economic wealth.
The rest of the world doesn’t even come close.
This year, U.S. GDP should hit $18 trillion.
That means that the U.S. economy is about as large as the next three-largest economies in the world — China, Japan and Germany — combined.
Since 2003, Earl Fry, a professor of Political Science at Brigham Young University, has been producing U.S. maps on a regular basis where the states are renamed with countries that have similar GDP levels.
The 2014 version of the map — which you can see here – puts the size of the United States’ global rivals in perspective.
On the map, the name of each state is replaced by a country whose GDP equals approximately that state’s gross state product (GSP).
A quick glance at the map leads to some fascinating — and unexpected — comparisons.
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http://humanevents.com/2016/02/16/ho...tm_campaign=nl


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10 countries spending the most on war

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10 countries spending the most on war

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...89W?li=BBnb7Kz
Given how much the Saudis spend, I would have thought they would have had a much larger military role in the world and their region.
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Saudi Arabia Warns of Economic Fallout if Congress Passes 9/11 Bill

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At the time, I recommended to readers that they “watch the movie” as it was being played out in Venezuela, as it would offer them insight into what was on the way in their own country, should they reside in Europe or North America.

The pattern followed by Venezuela is roughly the same as for the other jurisdictions; Venezuela is just a bit more advanced in the progression. Therefore, what we are observing in Venezuela is likely to be played out in other countries that have made the same mistake of taking on more debt than they can ever pay back.

As predicted, Venezuela is now well along with regard to hyperinflation.
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So, are the leaders of Venezuela learning from the mistakes of other countries that have followed this pattern? Far from it. Recently, they took delivery of over five billion banknotes—enough to fill three dozen 747 cargo planes. At the same time, Venezuela is selling off its gold in order to pay for the new currency and other debts. Venezuela will soon run out of real money to pay for the fiat money, and that will bring the charade to a disastrous end.

The reader may say to himself, “When will people learn?” Sadly, they don’t. Incredibly, when the reichsmark collapsed in 1923, no one blamed the excessive printing. In fact, many people felt that if only the printing had continued just a bit longer, everything might have been all right.

What we can take away from this is that what happened in Weimar Germany in 1922–1923 is happening now in Venezuela in 2016. (And has happened in some twenty other countries over the last hundred years, most recently in Argentina in 2000 and in Zimbabwe in 2008.)

The same will occur in Europe and America in the fairly near future. That’s not a “Chicken Little” overreaction; it’s a virtual certainty. The same economic errors always bring the same catastrophic results.
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http://www.internationalman.com/arti...rrow-economics

Debt numbers, USA and other nations;
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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And work takes time, and time cost money. And money doesn't cost resources.
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Vintage Maps Rekindle the Romance of Early Air Travel

Before pat downs and checked baggage fees, commercial flight carried an air of mystery and adventure.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2...ly-air-travel/

These early commercial routes would help pave the way for the air transport lines that supplied Allied forces in WWII.
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