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Old 28 Feb 15, 08:05
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Is this all? Guys, you disappoint me.
I've just noticed that we have another topic where usual suspects performed in a more energetic manner:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=157141
Meanwhile Moscow police have found the car belonging to Nemtsov's killers:
https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/28...tsov-s-killers
I can bet money it was stolen recently.
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Old 28 Feb 15, 08:14
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What is the evidence that Putin will be able to emotional handle the strain he is under?
I can recommend this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ORHkB89vk
Especially the part beginning from the 28 minute.
Transcript:
http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/23406
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I've just noticed that we have another topic where usual suspects performed in a more energetic manner:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=157141
Meanwhile Moscow police have found the car belonging to Nemtsov's killers:
https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/28...tsov-s-killers
I can bet money it was stolen recently.
I heard the UPA diaspora jackals howling, probably they need a visit from nurse
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Because your two contentions that Russia is out of control and Putin is under pressure are false. Provide your evidence to back up your contentions before expecting any answers.
Ok I will bite :-) Keep in mind that Russia is a bit confusing and obscure to non Russians.

Is Russia Suffering From Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?

"In Collapse of an Empire, Yegor Gaidar, the Russian economist and 1990s shock therapist, wrote that “the identification of state grandeur with being an empire makes the adaptation to the loss of status of superpower a difficult task for the national consciousness of the former metropolis.” Gaidar likened the loss of the Soviet empire to Germany’s defeat in WWI and warned, like Weimar Germany, Russia could thirst for a strong national leader to right the wrongs of the Soviet collapse. Empire, after all, was “an easy-sell product, like Coca-Cola” to a parched population. Gaidar turned out to be premature though prescient. Only now, with the crisis in Ukraine, is the opportunity for Russian revanchism—and the collective trauma that serves as its foundation—fully revealed."

"According to psychologists, one the cardinal symptoms of trauma is hyperarrousal. This is when the traumatized person lives on permanent alert fearing danger might return at any moment. The victim startles easily, reacts intensely to small provocations, and exhibits vigilance in the face of danger. On the societal level, this results from an event that shatters the bonds of social life and damages the sense of community. One way to overcome this state is to excise those representing threats and reconstitute the sinews of community through solidarity. As the psychologist Judith Herman writes in Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence—from Domestic Abuse to Political Terror, “The solidarity of a group provides the strongest protection against terror and despair, and the strongest antidote to traumatic experience. Trauma isolates; the group re-creates a sense of belonging.” Through these misguided and over-the-top reactions, Russia, as a traumatized society, is simply attempting to recreate a sense of belonging as a nation in order to heal."

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...tress-disorder

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Wow. More psychology mumbo-jumbo.

Russians should be happy. At least their enemies, domestic and foreign, are more and more distinguishable and publicly revealed.

I look forward to Russian attempt of Maidan. I see they intend to capitalize on this man's death, and wear balaclavas, while occupying grounds "captured" during "march" and "protest". Time for rubber bullets.

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Wow what a threat to Putin and his party. Looking into things it seems that Nemtsovs's party had 1 seat in a regional parliament and NONE in the Rada.
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A relatively expendable opposition member who publicly stated he feared being killed by Putin is shot and killed close to the Kremlin the day before an opposition protest. Onviously the world is going to blame Putin. I'm not into conspiracy theories or whatever but whom does this benefit more? Putin or his opposition?
Expendable? That's a rather callous observation, don't you think?

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Deceased was a political marginal with less then 1% support.

Where is the reason to kill non dangerous political figure which Russian dislike anyway?

But,thread starter is known for his hate towards Russia.
He even hidden on another subforum because he is well known down in Russia part of forum.
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Isn't presuming the Kremlin ordered it also a conspiracy theory?
Based on the historical 'model' of Russian methods in dealing with political opposition, it may not be a theory but a logical conclusion.

Three Tsars were murdered by those in power in a period of about 100 years; Stalin eliminated poltical opposition randomly and with enthusiasm, and Putin is formerly a KGB officer.

Seems like either a pattern or a tradition.

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Based on the historical 'model' of Russian methods in dealing with political opposition, it may not be a theory but a logical conclusion.

Three Tsars were murdered by those in power in a period of about 100 years; Stalin eliminated poltical opposition randomly and with enthusiasm, and Putin is formerly a KGB officer.

Seems like either a pattern or a tradition.

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Political opposition with less than 1% support and disliked by Russias because of his past.
Some opposition.
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...Putin sure is doing his best to be the monstrous dictator the rest of the world sees him as. Well done, Vlad old boy, well done.
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Based on the historical 'model' of Russian methods in dealing with political opposition, it may not be a theory but a logical conclusion.

Three Tsars were murdered by those in power in a period of about 100 years; Stalin eliminated poltical opposition randomly and with enthusiasm, and Putin is formerly a KGB officer.

Seems like either a pattern or a tradition.

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You quote events from hundreds of years ago in order to attack Russia now, well well. So, why not attack the French for their habit of cutting off heads of political opposition, and before them the English who executed one king and had a military coup against one of his sons. Then let's complain about colonists in North America rebelling against their lawful King, George III. Why not look further and quote events in Skandinavia, Bohemia etc etc. Using historical events to make petty forum debating points against one particular country as if no other country has similar events is futile.
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Expendable? That's a rather callous observation, don't you think?

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Apparently comprehension is still a weak point for you. Expendable to the opposition. His death helps them more than anyone else. For them, his assassination is more helpful than anything he could do alive.
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...Putin sure is doing his best to be the monstrous dictator the rest of the world sees him as. Well done, Vlad old boy, well done.
Statements like this are why he probably had nothing to do with this. This man was no real threat, certainly not one that needed to be killed overtly. His murder hurts Putin more than anyone.
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Ok I will bite :-) Keep in mind that Russia is a bit confusing and obscure to non Russians.

Is Russia Suffering From Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?

"In Collapse of an Empire, Yegor Gaidar, the Russian economist and 1990s shock therapist, wrote that “the identification of state grandeur with being an empire makes the adaptation to the loss of status of superpower a difficult task for the national consciousness of the former metropolis.” Gaidar likened the loss of the Soviet empire to Germany’s defeat in WWI and warned, like Weimar Germany, Russia could thirst for a strong national leader to right the wrongs of the Soviet collapse. Empire, after all, was “an easy-sell product, like Coca-Cola” to a parched population. Gaidar turned out to be premature though prescient. Only now, with the crisis in Ukraine, is the opportunity for Russian revanchism—and the collective trauma that serves as its foundation—fully revealed."

"According to psychologists, one the cardinal symptoms of trauma is hyperarrousal. This is when the traumatized person lives on permanent alert fearing danger might return at any moment. The victim startles easily, reacts intensely to small provocations, and exhibits vigilance in the face of danger. On the societal level, this results from an event that shatters the bonds of social life and damages the sense of community. One way to overcome this state is to excise those representing threats and reconstitute the sinews of community through solidarity. As the psychologist Judith Herman writes in Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence—from Domestic Abuse to Political Terror, “The solidarity of a group provides the strongest protection against terror and despair, and the strongest antidote to traumatic experience. Trauma isolates; the group re-creates a sense of belonging.” Through these misguided and over-the-top reactions, Russia, as a traumatized society, is simply attempting to recreate a sense of belonging as a nation in order to heal."

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...tress-disorder

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As Epigon has said, psychology is vomit inflicted by worthless parasites on society. Russia, covering one sixth of the land surface of the planet and spanning ten time zones, has no "complexes" about loosing an empire. The territory of modern Russia is not much smaller than when it was an empire in fact. For any complexes caused by loss of empire, then look at Britain, not Russia.
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