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Old 08 Feb 15, 12:45
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Global Warming a Hoax?

Very interesting article, obviously it will be ignored by the American Media.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ndal-ever.html
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Very interesting article, obviously it will be ignored by the American Media.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ndal-ever.html
Yeah, it's a pile of lies. The new idea that somehow the polar ice is shrinking, just has to be waited out, is like the "news" a few years ago that the glaciers were shrinking. They weren't, and then they grew. If polar ice is "shrinking" now, Antarctica is swelling with ice. The world does what the world does; it's not interested in us.

Even The Economist is beginning to lose faith. I think if we just wait it out a few more years, all this nonsense will simply drift off, like smoke.
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Global warming has been a big disappointment for me. Here it's 2015 already and this winter is once again one of the coldest on record. I hoped by now we would be living in a tropical paradise here in central New York.
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Global warming has been a big disappointment for me. Here it's 2015 already and this winter is once again one of the coldest on record. I hoped by now we would be living in a tropical paradise here in central New York.
Shooooo, I keep putting in a winter garden here in Maryland, hoping it's really true after all! Cabbages and lettuce and such.

All frozen. Again. DARN! These global-warming people never keep their promises.

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Hoax? No.

One of the most massive scientific blunders in human history? Yes.
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Hoax? No.

One of the most massive scientific blunders in human history? Yes.
We know for sure there has been massive cheating, attempts to lie to publicize ideas that weren't true at all. So yeah, I'd say "hoax" is fair and kinder than these bad people deserve. This thing has lasted far longer than the one that immunized me against all this sort of nonsense, the "Ice Age Is Coming, the Ice Age Is Coming" think in the 1970s. I totally believed it because I was young and ------- they were scientists, see.

But it was hooey.

Because this has attracted much more attention and for longer, I'd say there will be a books and analyses of it historically after it finally fades.

I have long thought it's a sort of proxy for over-population, which leftist whites, which includes most scientists, cannot possibly talk about. Not PC. I'll be interested in seeing books about it, but the "global warming" fad has to be OVER first.
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If global warming is a hoax, then why is it accepted by virtually the entirety of the developed world? Every reputable scientific body states that not only is the climate changing for the warmer, but human activity is almost certain (greater than 90% likelihood) to be the root cause.



The reason why some find it so hard to accept is that they believe the propaganda put forth by big business so that they can continue to exploit our natural resources for their personal financial gain.

Having said this, no matter how badly humans trash the planet now will make little difference in the long term climate-wise: the Earth is still in the so-called "Ice Ages." Human civilization has grown up in the roughly 10,000 year span after the last cold period. In another 10,000 to 15,000 years, the glaciers will return, and we will have to wait thousands more years for them to withdraw again. We are in a warm spot between glacial retreats, and no number of species we selfishly kill off or greenhouse gasses we emit will stave off the inevitable return of the ice.

HOWEVER, what we DO need to avoid are the ozone-depleting Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), that leave us vulnerable to solar radiation. A return to ice age conditions will not fix this. (Thankfully we have cut down hard on these since the '70s.)

Global Warming is no hoax, and it would be dangerous to treat it as such. We humans have only got one planet, and it would be suicidal to abuse it.
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If global warming is a hoax, then why is it accepted by virtually the entirety of the developed world? Every reputable scientific body states that not only is the climate changing for the warmer, but human activity is almost certain (greater than 90% likelihood) to be the root cause.



The reason why some find it so hard to accept is that they believe the propaganda put forth by big business so that they can continue to exploit our natural resources for their personal financial gain.

Having said this, no matter how badly humans trash the planet now will make little difference in the long term climate-wise: the Earth is still in the so-called "Ice Ages." Human civilization has grown up in the roughly 10,000 year span after the last cold period. In another 10,000 to 15,000 years, the glaciers will return, and we will have to wait thousands more years for them to withdraw again. We are in a warm spot between glacial retreats, and no number of species we selfishly kill off or greenhouse gasses we emit will stave off the inevitable return of the ice.

HOWEVER, what we DO need to avoid are the ozone-depleting Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), that leave us vulnerable to solar radiation. A return to ice age conditions will not fix this. (Thankfully we have cut down hard on these since the '70s.)

Global Warming is no hoax, and it would be dangerous to treat it as such. We humans have only got one planet, and it would be suicidal to abuse it.
Argumentum ad populum fallacy.
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Argumentum ad populum fallacy.
This is not applicable in this case. There is an enormous difference between blindly following dogma and literally thousands of independent scientific studies that all yield similar results. The reason people believe this is because of the vast body of evidence. Man-caused climate change on a planetary scale is obviously a huge claim, which, unless its proponents would like to be considered flat-earthers, would require massive support to be taken seriously.

One recalls the popular maxim "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Well, the evidence is here, and overwhelming. The entire civilized world has taken notice, and has agreed to take action (1992 Kyoto Protocol).

If climate change was not occurring due to the actions of man, then why have all the major powers voluntarily crippled their own industry? They would have no reason to do so otherwise.

Man made climate change is real, and it affecting the world we live in, and the world our children and grandchildren will inherit. We have a duty to them to make sure that they have a livable home, that we will not be remembered as 'the generation that destroyed Earth' for all time.

Only someone who has something to gain off the back of 4.54 billion years of history would deny this fact.
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Argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Interestingly, that same chart would fit for what happened to the ice caps on Mars.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
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Interestingly, that same chart would fit for what happened to the ice caps on Mars.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...aug_southpole/
Also interestingly, the same link you posted has most of its space taken up by content on how this one man's hypothesis is wrong:

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His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.

"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)
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Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.
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Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.

"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)
In other words, Mr. Abdussamatov's hypothesis is on what we would term "the scientific fringe."

(His claim is not a theory, because the scientific definition of a theory is: "A well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world, unlike Mr. Abdussamatov's claim.)

Mars is not Earth: it has no atmosphere to protect it from the Sun: the effects of solar radiation are much more strongly felt there, and even then they are not the cause of the Martian ice-melt.
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Mars is not Earth: it has no atmosphere to protect it from the Sun: the effects of solar radiation are much more strongly felt there, and even then they are not the cause of the Martian ice-melt.
So, what is causing the melting? People from Earth inhabiting Mars? Where is your proof that Mars has no atmosphere given that dust storms are commonly observed by both telescopes and robotic rovers on the surface? Since Mars has no known volcanic activity to cause melting, how is it possible that changes in solar radiation have no effect on the Martian ice cap, made up of mostly those so called Greenhouse gases of carbon dioxide in the form of dry ice?

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