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Drones: The New Way of Warfare

I've been meaning to start a thread on this topic in the forum of "Warfare by Other Means" for some days, and since a drone just this half-hour (10:30 AM 1/26) crashed into the side of the White House, it seems a good time.



(Reuters) - A U.S. Secret Service officer on duty at the White House early on Monday saw, and heard, a two-foot-wide commercial "quad copter" fly at a low altitude into the heavily guarded complex, crashing on the southeast side, the agency said.

"There was an immediate alert and lockdown of the complex until the device was examined and cleared," a Secret Service spokeswoman said in a statement, noting the incident happened at 3:08 a.m. ET.

"An investigation is underway to determine the origin of this commercially available device, motive, and to identify suspects," she said.
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Assassination is an obvious potential (and actual, in the case of Allawi in Yemen) use for drones, as is less selective attack on centers of power large and small. Drones have already replace more conventional warfare, I would say, considering their extensive use in Pakistan, which might fight an American Army but can't really combat the little drones that fly into their mountains.

I would say drones are qualitatively different from shelling, a recognized tactic of warfare. Drones can, with luck, be very selective indeed and have other capacities such as intelligence via cameras and sound recording. Spy drones disguised as birds and mosquitoes are a staple of modern science fiction, and since this week has seen news of artificial bats, this is probably a real capacity coming up fast.

Ideas on how drones are a warfare by other means?
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I've been meaning to start a thread on this topic in the forum of "Warfare by Other Means" for some days, and since a drone just this half-hour (10:30 AM 1/26) crashed into the side of the White House, it seems a good time.

Ideas on how drones are a warfare by other means?
While the one that crashed into the White House appears to be a toy, someone deliberately sent it up there at 3:00 AM to test something out. The timing by itself is not an accident. Given that flying them in DC is now illegal, it will be a matter of time before they and any RC aircraft in general either have to be Federally registered like machine guns, or banned outright.

Now, for how far the technology appears to be going;
http://www.infowars.com/harvard-prof...ract-your-dna/

How about injecting you with some mind control drug instead that will turn you into "Sheep," always obeying, never questioning.
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At 3 AM? I didn't notice that news. I agree, that's not some mistake. It's at least a test. Or there may be a payload they aren't publicizing.
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They have technically been used in war since World War 2. I mean v bombs where drones in a name.
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White House Drone Crash Described as a U.S. Worker’s Drunken Lark

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/us...rone.html?_r=0

Knowing how this administration will spin a story to either promote some agenda or cover up something they want to hide from the public, you can choose to believe it, or not.
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So it looks like the next security upgrade at the White House will be RF jammers for the reqisite frequencies.

While we could speculate on how these small devices might be weaponized, it seems clear that they are already more than capable of serving as private reconnaissance devices. The obvious use would be to collect the necessary information on a potential target that would help an attacker plan a strike by other means.
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Drones compared to other military aircraft are cheap to build, easy to fly, can carry a variety of cameras or weapon, they are stealthy easy to maintain and if they crash you don't lose your pilot.
Any present downsides will be engineered out. This is the future of warfare.
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SA used a drone to hunt down a SAM site during the border war. It was used because if the SAM shoots it down you still found the SAM site. Interestingly the Drone was able to avoided 2 of the SA8 that was shot at it and it landed back at base.
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At 3 AM? I didn't notice that news. I agree, that's not some mistake. It's at least a test. Or there may be a payload they aren't publicizing.
I heard that it was carrying a cross to burn on the south lawn.
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Hi

Hope its of some interest, as its an adjunct to the thread topic:-

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The overstretched US military has hired hundreds of private-sector contractors to the heart of its drone operations to analyse top-secret video feeds and help track suspected terrorist leaders, an investigation has found.

Contracts unearthed by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism reveal a secretive industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars, placing a corporate workforce alongside uniformed personnel analysing intelligence from areas of interest.

While it has long been known that US defence firms supply billions of dollars’ worth of equipment for drone operations, the role of the private sector in supplying analysts for combing through intelligence material has remained almost entirely unknown until now.

Approximately one in 10 people involved in the effort to process data captured by drones and spy planes are non-military. And as the rise of Islamic State prompts what one commander termed “insatiable” demand for aerial surveillance, the Pentagon is considering further expanding its use of contractors, an air force official said.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...P=share_btn_tw

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I'm actually interested in the drones Amazon is going to use to deliver packages...imagine in a decade or so when you can have a personal drone that is actually strong enough to support your weight. Can you imagine airborne operations with those. ie. not jumping from plane with a parachute, but with a drone. Or what about urban operations when you can easily move from roof to roof`etc distances?

I mean we all thought that was gonna be done with jetpacks, but maybe it's with drones.
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Come on, someone must have ideas? There's enough people here familiar with the concept of jetpacks to see that drones might drive the same purpose at some point. Discuss, the idea intrigues me. Might change urban operations/mobility completely.
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Not to derail the conversation but it is a popular idea that drones are immoral because they can be used without risking a pilot. I'm not sure of the logic here but I assume that it is just another attack on U.S. foreign policy. The theory is I assume that drones unfairly exploit the weaknesses of less developed countries and results in indiscriminate attacks. The logic requires that the U.S. foreign policy is immoral to begin with but that is never stated clearly so I also assume that the people making the argument believe it is self evident.

While drones require less risk assessment than manned vehicles I personally don't see any distinction between killing in person and killing remotely. Morality dictates that they be equally justified.
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They are not, as long as they are remotely controlled.

An airplane is an airplane with its pilot in it.
A flying drone is an airplane with its pilot somewhere else.

The drone has an obvious advantage (not risking a human life), but it probably has its own disadvantages (a less full feedback to the pilot, and thus a larger margin of error, probably).
But both can provide essentially the same battlefield functions.

Note that putting your own personnel out of harm's way is not a novelty coming with the drones. Even the simplest ballistics is about that. Traps and mines and Krummlauf round-the-corner barrels and stand-off weapons are about that.

Once you field an unmanned vehicle that can operate, at least for some time, independently of human control of any kind, well that will be otherness. We already have robots and robotic space probes. Those are not armed, yet; but we also have seabed mines that can fire a pretty smart torpedo. Fortunately, their environment is a serious limitation. But what when such a device will be an aerial or land robot?
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