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The biggest problem in science today is the political side of it. Politics spoils science. Scientists on their own are already fallible enough without ideology playing a role. Look at all the people who continue to believe in creationism because they claim 'some scientists' support it.

When facts are discarded and hard-science ignored in favor of personal beliefs about what 'must be' then science loses it's strongest pillar.
Nothing new. If it wasn't politics it was "the church." Galileo is a good example. Ptolemy is another.

I agree that personal belief over facts causes science to lose. That is particularly true when you move Left.

Aryan physics (Nazi physics) is an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

Marxist science is another:

https://marxists.org/subject/science/index.htm

Leftist environmentalism is no different

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.230...56&uid=3739552

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/20...honest-inquiry

Sure, there are crazies on the Right too. But, creationism and other religion based "science" is definitely in the minority when it comes to adherents. On the other hand, the Left's pseudo-science usually goes mainstream with disastrous consequences.
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Nothing new. If it wasn't politics it was "the church." Galileo is a good example. Ptolemy is another.

I agree that personal belief over facts causes science to lose. That is particularly true when you move Left.

Aryan physics (Nazi physics) is an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

Marxist science is another:

https://marxists.org/subject/science/index.htm

Leftist environmentalism is no different

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.230...56&uid=3739552

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/20...honest-inquiry

Sure, there are crazies on the Right too. But, creationism and other religion based "science" is definitely in the minority when it comes to adherents. On the other hand, the Left's pseudo-science usually goes mainstream with disastrous consequences.
I hate to say it, but your views here say more about your own prejudices than any objective reality.
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The biggest problem in science today is the political side of it. Politics spoils science. Scientists on their own are already fallible enough without ideology playing a role. Look at all the people who continue to believe in creationism because they claim 'some scientists' support it.

When facts are discarded and hard-science ignored in favor of personal beliefs about what 'must be' then science loses it's strongest pillar.
Politics will always play a part in science because scientists are people.

Scientists rarely discard facts and hard science... However, there has always been and always will be a tendency to interpret the facts and the science in a manner consistent with the current ruling theory/paradigm. This is also human nature.
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This actually belongs in the science section...
Honestly, you're right. However, since environmental issues are almost solely mentioned on the forum in the context of politics, I thought it best to mention here - fodder for a more informed debate, perhaps.

What can I say, I'm an optimist, and I think people can rise to higher standards of dialogue if they try... even on the internet.
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Politics will always play a part in science because scientists are people.

Scientists rarely discard facts and hard science... However, there has always been and always will be a tendency to interpret the facts and the science in a manner consistent with the current ruling theory/paradigm. This is also human nature.
I think that's one of the crucial elements in the environmentalism debate. It's not just a case of a bunch of people disregarding everything and making up their own numbers but more to do with a very selective interpretation of raw data. If you go in looking for proof that mankind is heating up the world, well, one can interpret the numbers quite favorably.
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Honestly, you're right. However, since environmental issues are almost solely mentioned on the forum in the context of politics, I thought it best to mention here - fodder for a more informed debate, perhaps.

What can I say, I'm an optimist, and I think people can rise to higher standards of dialogue if they try... even on the internet.
Mo'betta you take on a Balrog single handed, Mr. Gandalf...

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I think that's one of the crucial elements in the environmentalism debate. It's not just a case of a bunch of people disregarding everything and making up their own numbers but more to do with a very selective interpretation of raw data. If you go in looking for proof that mankind is heating up the world, well, one can interpret the numbers quite favorably.
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Unlike you scientists and your empiricism, right?
Science --> Scientist
Geology --> Geologist
Biology --> Biologist
Physics --> Physicist
Chemistry --> Chemist

Environmentalism --> Environmentalist

Empiricism, like Environmentalism and Creationism, is an anthropocentric philosophy... As are Marxism, Socialism and Capitalism.

Empiricism and empirical are two totally different and only tangentially related words. I could not perform my job if I was an empiricist...
Empricism, in philosophy, the view that all concepts originate in experience, that all concepts are about or applicable to things that can be experienced, or that all rationally acceptable beliefs or propositions are justifiable or knowable only through experience. This broad definition accords with the derivation of the term empiricism from the ancient Greek word empeiria, “experience.”

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Record Lows Challenged in FL...
RIDICULOUS: DC FEELS LIKE -20º
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And, this morning from the kitchen indoor outdoor at 6AM. This is not wind chill either.

All schools are closed, cars won't start, frozen water pipes, furnace running continuously, double pane insulated windows with ice forming at the base of the glass, a water main has ruptured as pavement buckles under the pressure of frozen ground. You climate freaks can go yourself!
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Well just because it's cold in Sag Nasty (is that a real place ?) doesn't mean it isn't warming someplace else,

it's called "Global" warming after all, you're looking for averages.

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