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The Environmentalism and Global Warming Thread

Since this is a recurring topic for debate and discussion, this is going to be a permanent thread dedicated to all things involving politics and the environment. Please use this to host all of your debates, articles, and discussions of environmental topics here. Anything from the EPA to whether your local council is considering spending money planting trees, let's keep it here in one convenient thread.

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The Political Environmentalism Thread

Since bureaucrats are incapable of doing anything useful, this should be no surprise...
New study translated: public servants are more likely to become eco-activists

For example, for NASA GISS administrator, James Hansen, aka patient zero, seen below being arrested at a climate protest ...


UGA research reveals public servants individually motivated to help environment

Athens, Ga. – New University of Georgia research shows that while on the job, public servants contribute not just to mandated sustainability but also to discretionary…

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/0...eco-activists/

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New study translated: public servants are more likely to become eco-activists
It's no surprise.


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I suspect this thread will grow so big it will cause global temperature to rise by several degrees all by itself
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US Taxpayers: The Silver Lining to Ivanpah Solar Power Facility's Dark Cloud

What disrupts desert tortoise habitats, fries birds, loses money, burns more natural gas than expected, can't handle cloudy days or aircraft contrails and requires a taxpayer bailout to pay back a taxpayer guaranteed loan? The Ivanpah Solar Power Facility!
This Map Explains Why the Ivanpah Solar Plant Is Performing Worse Than Expected

As if displaced desert tortoises, burned birds and political theater around the loan guarantee program weren't enough problems for the Ivanpah concentrating solar project, the owners are now dealing with lower-than-expected electricity production.

From January to August of this year, the 392-megawatt plant generated far less than the electricity expected. For some, it's yet more proof of the technical limitations of solar -- and an example of another bungled government investment in clean energy.

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The map below shows a strong departure from average irradiance levels in Southern California and Nevada over the last fifteen years. The Ivanpah project is located in Southern California, near the border with Nevada -- right in the blue part of the map.



The wind and sun are free resources. But if the weather isn't cooperating, developers can take a big financial hit. Ivanpah, which is operated by NRG Energy and partly owned by Google and BrightSource, generated hundreds of thousands of dollars less than expected.

The project owners are now taking advantage of cash grants from the Treasury to help repay their initial loan from the Department of Energy. They're also burning more natural gas to make up for the drop in electricity output.

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http://theenergycollective.com/steph...worse-expected
This $2.2 billion green boondoggle is the poster child for enviroMENTALism...

Note to thread movers: Ivanpah is in North America. This debacle is a current event. And this thread has nothing to do with science.
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Note to thread movers: Ivanpah is in North America. This debacle is a current event. And this thread has nothing to do with science.
Which is why it was moved into the politics and environmentalism thread, provided for subjects just like these.
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Almost too funny to post. Just days after NOAA concluded that California's recent prolonged drought was not caused by climate change, Gorebots are now blaming climate change for ending the drought...
The Winter storm hitting California today, claimed to be driven by “changing climate”.
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Northern California Super Storm Linked to Changing Climate


To: Journalists
From: Climate Nexus
Date: December 11, 2014
Re: The Climate Context of California’s Atmospheric River Storm

With the drought-causing high-pressure zone dubbed the “Ridiculously Resilient Ridge” pushed aside for now, a powerful storm associated with what are called “atmospheric rivers” is currently drenching the California Bay Area.

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Atmospheric river storms are responsible for 30-50 percent of all the precipitation in California and are also responsible for over 80 percent of major flooding events. Climate research indicates that the impacts of these storms are expected to escalate dramatically if carbon emissions continue along the business-as-usual path, and that atmospheric rivers may already be impacted by current warming...

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/1...nging-climate/
What "current warming"?



  • Red Curve = RSS Satellite Measured Lower Troposphere Global Temperature Anomaly (°C)
  • Green Curve = RSS Linear Trend Line
  • Blue Curve = Mauna Loa Observatory Atmospheric CO2 (ppmv, normalized)
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Yea, whatever... It also forced me to wait a week to finish the roof on a covered porch I'm building when it drenched Arizona with rain Saturday...
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From WUWT...
Hilarious irony – Michael Mann to give lecture on ‘Professional Ethics for Climate Scientists’

Anthony Watts / 8 hours ago December 14, 2014

From the ‘truth is stranger than fiction department’, reporting from San Francisco at the AGU Fall Meeting
ED11D-02 Professional Ethics for Climate Scientists
Monday, December 15, 201408:15 AM – 08:30 AM Moscone South 102


Several authors have warned that climate scientists sometimes exhibit a tendency to...

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We recognize that there are disanalogies between professional and scientific ethics, the most important of which is that codes of ethics are typically written into the laws that govern licensed professions such as engineering. Presently, no one can legally compel a research scientist to be ethical...

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source: https://agu.confex.com/agu/fm14/meet...gi#Paper/11679

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Too funny. Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann presenting a paper on ethics...

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Climate Super Fund Wants Immunity

Placed here because America is the primary source of funding at the moment:

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...m-prosecution/

First question right off the bat: What crimes do they expect to commitf that require such sweeping immunity?
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I suspect they want immunity from civil law suits when they put some environmental action up that harms the economy of some nation.
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I suspect they want immunity from civil law suits when they put some environmental action up that harms the economy of some nation.
And they should be subject to such lawsuits. They are not, after all, a dictatorship unanswerable to the nations of the world.
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