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It really, really wouldn't surprise me. But it sounds more like the thing a bloke at the pub would run, rather than a 'respectable' betting company.

You can see some typical political bets here:
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en.../Politics.html
Thanks for the link, however it is blocked for Americans.

Maybe someone can give post a screenshot?
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Thanks for the link, however it is blocked for Americans.

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Thanks. Shame Americans are blocked. With our knowledge of British politics it would be big money for the British booking houses.

Well, maybe it is a good thing after all.
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I see by the latest news that Israel and Hamas will have some kind of cease fire.....I also noticed that as usual the first thing Israel did was annex a Palestinians farm to build more settlements....Ah!!! business as usual from the Israeli end of things.....

What happens the day Israel runs out of farms and land to annex for settlements...do they move over the border into Jordan, Syria or Egypt.????

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I see by the latest news that Israel and Hamas will have some kind of cease fire.....I also noticed that as usual the first thing Israel did was annex a Palestinians farm to build more settlements....Ah!!! business as usual from the Israeli end of things.....

What happens the day Israel runs out of farms and land to annex for settlements...do they move over the border into Jordan, Syria or Egypt.????

Makes a person wonder......
And of course there's the dead student from Lakewood, NJ. Ah, business as usual from the Palestinian end.

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I see by the latest news that Israel and Hamas will have some kind of cease fire.....I also noticed that as usual the first thing Israel did was annex a Palestinians farm to build more settlements....Ah!!! business as usual from the Israeli end of things.....
It is a ceasefire: that means that the parties have agreed, chiefly, to - wait for it - cease firing.

There are a few other things - very few - they have agreed upon. The territorial issues are not one of those.
As a matter of comparison, both sides have wishes, not just the Palestinians. The Israelis would like to see Hamas disarmed, for instance. They aren't going to get that, for the time being, on the basis of that ceasefire alone, so we can conclude that busines is as usual for Hamas too. They've still got their rockets up the sleeve.

You want a comprehensive and final agreement, the words you need are: "peace treaty".
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I see by the latest news that Israel and Hamas will have some kind of cease fire.....I also noticed that as usual the first thing Israel did was annex a Palestinians farm to build more settlements... :
I wonder if that's Netanyahu's way of placating his right wing seeing as he's declining to re occupy Gaza?
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I wonder if that's Netanyahu's way of placating his right wing seeing as he's declining to re occupy Gaza?
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And of course there's the dead student from Lakewood, NJ. Ah, business as usual from the Palestinian end.

Sorry, no sarcasm smiley.

And of course a few Palestinian kids....but their names dont even get mentioned other than maybe a referance at the bottom of page 16 in small print after the sports results....


Sad,just sad....sometimes I wonder who is running the asylum....
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And of course there's the dead student from Lakewood, NJ. Ah, business as usual from the Palestinian end.

Sorry, no sarcasm smiley.
"By late Thursday afternoon, Israeli police had not issued a cause of death, but family members, through Lakewood officials, said they donít suspect foul play. Soferís parents, who are in Jerusalem, plan to bury their son in Israel as soon as they have permission from authorities, said Lakewood Committeeman Meir Lichtenstein, a friend of the family."

http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/20...community.html

I was not aware of this case until you mentioned it and so there may well be lots of information I do not know. However, in light of what the official statements currently are do you have any information/news that could attribute blame to Palestinians or the various Palestinian groups?
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I see by the latest news that Israel and Hamas will have some kind of cease fire.....I also noticed that as usual the first thing Israel did was annex a Palestinians farm to build more settlements....Ah!!! business as usual from the Israeli end of things.....

What happens the day Israel runs out of farms and land to annex for settlements...do they move over the border into Jordan, Syria or Egypt.????

Makes a person wonder......

When I read your post, I was disappointed in Israel.
BUT, I did some research into it and found out that the land they are planning to build on are within the Etzion Bloc. Under the Oslo Accords, the Etzion Bloc is defined as Area C, for which Israel has full control of zoning and planning. They are doing nothing wrong.



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the Oslo II Interim Agreement, signed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat at the White House in 1995 (and witnessed by the EU), established a division of the West Bank into three areas: Area A, where the Palestinians had full control, Area B where there was mixed Israeli and Palestinian security control but full Palestinian civil control, and Area C, where Israel had full military and civilian control. Israeli responsibilities in Area C included the power of zoning and planning. The territory which Israel declared as state land is within Area C.
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When I read your post, I was disappointed in Israel.
BUT, I did some research into it and found out that the land they are planning to build on are within the Etzion Bloc. Under the Oslo Accords, the Etzion Bloc is defined as Area C, for which Israel has full control of zoning and planning. They are doing nothing wrong.
That, and Jews have been there since what the mid 80's? They are not expanding the footprint, but rather modernizing it. We call that urbanizing here. AND it has nothing to do with the Gaza Strip which our esteemed Bow always seem to get confused about.
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That, and Jews have been there since what the mid 80's? They are not expanding the footprint, but rather modernizing it. We call that urbanizing here. AND it has nothing to do with the Gaza Strip which our esteemed Bow always seem to get confused about.
How long have the villages that just lost their farming land been there? Should this go ahead people have then lost the right to use their land, land which has already been reduced by earlier acts.

What does it do for any potential peace deal to have your land and homes seized by other people. How would you or your neighbours feel to be told that? It is the arrogance of colonial power.
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