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EU offers to monitor Gaza borders

The EU has offered to take over monitoring the border crossings. Will Israel accept?



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The European Union offered Friday to take charge of Gaza's border crossings and work to prevent illegal arms flows, insisting on a durable truce and saying a return to the status quo before the latest war "is not an option."

The EU is prepared "to play a strong role" in managing the crossings while assuring that Israel's security is guaranteed, said the 28-nation bloc's foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton.

The EU offered to reactivate and extend its monitoring of the Rafah crossing with Egypt and other border posts, provided there will be a UN Security Council mandate for the mission and a sustainable ceasefire in place. In addition, the EU says Israel must lift its blockade to allow "a fundamental improvement in the living conditions for the Palestinian people in Gaza."

The EU foreign ministers said the bloc is also prepared to prevent arms smuggling and launch a training program for Palestinian Authority police and customs officers to be deployed in Gaza.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-...ings-1.2737587
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Depends upon the details. If HAMAS can use EU personnel as a human shield, its a bad idea. Likewise, will the EU send in troops with an RoE that will deter HAMAS, or will it be some symbolic gesture like UN troops in Rwanda standing around with their thumbs up their backsides watching the slaughter?
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Hamas is close to accepting the offer.



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A Hamas official said his group had all but accepted the offer and was currently finalizing the wording.
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Depends upon the details. If HAMAS can use EU personnel as a human shield, its a bad idea. Likewise, will the EU send in troops with an RoE that will deter HAMAS, or will it be some symbolic gesture like UN troops in Rwanda standing around with their thumbs up their backsides watching the slaughter?

Truthfully, I have my doubts that the EU is up to this task.
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Truthfully, I have my doubts that the EU is up to this task.
I think you're right.
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Hamas is close to accepting the offer.
Which means they either believe it would work out in their favor or more likely are only accepting it because they know Israel won't so they can blame the Israelis for "standing in the way of peace."
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Which means they either believe it would work out in their favor or more likely are only accepting it because they know Israel won't so they can blame the Israelis for "standing in the way of peace."
A frank and honest assessment.
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Truthfully, I have my doubts that the EU is up to this task.

Hamas can smuggle weapons & ammo pass EU guards, and they know it! Hamas need to restock their ammo, they are getting desperate.
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Which means they either believe it would work out in their favor or more likely are only accepting it because they know Israel won't so they can blame the Israelis for "standing in the way of peace."
Exactly.
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The fly in the ointment is the EU insisting they will allow stuff to cross the border checkpoints. As long as Hamas keeps shooting missiles at Israel, the Israelis are not going to agree to let stuff be brought in. It is in effect a catch 22. Israel can not agree to opening the quarantine and Hamas can not stop shooting missiles at Israel. The EU does not have the means to shut down Hamas shooting missiles, so why should Israel accept their kind offer?

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Hamas can smuggle weapons & ammo pass EU guards, and they know it! Hamas need to restock their ammo, they are getting desperate.
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I fail to see any other alternative. Neither Does Vatican Radio, L'observatore Romano, and other "non liberal' sources.

As long as the attacks on Israel stop, why should they care?
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Which means they either believe it would work out in their favor or more likely are only accepting it because they know Israel won't so they can blame the Israelis for "standing in the way of peace."
I agree. If Hamas is enthusiastically in favor of it, there's a good chance it's a policy that would suit their interests over those of Israel. The monitoring might actually serve to prevent Israel from intervening in the Gaza strip if other attacks by Hamas were to (and probably will) arise in the future.
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I fail to see any other alternative. Neither Does Vatican Radio, L'observatore Romano, and other "non liberal' sources.

As long as the attacks on Israel stop, why should they care?
And what has Hamas ever done to make you think the attacks on Israel would stop?
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And what has Hamas ever done to make you think the attacks on Israel would stop?
good point.

They are currently in a 'tenuous ceasefire". the EU has a huge interest in the Gaza offshore gas fields, as there is a strong conjecture that another field exists closer to shore - and LNG is a bargaining chip against Russia- so their hands are not 'pure.'

If the EU's experiment fails- we are really just back to where we are now.

the Vatican stance is nuanced, and clearly thought out.
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/world-news/Europe#
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Israel had various international forces meant to ensure its security which ultimately proved to be useless at best and actually counter-beneficial at worst.
UNEF hightailed out of Sinai by a mere 'request' of Egypt, UNIFIL actually enjoyed the sight of Hezbollah so much it didn't interfere with all the killing and kidnapping of IDF soldiers in 2000 and 2006, UNDOF fled with their tails between their lags at the first sight of hostilities in Syria and are still no where to be found and UNRWA which was already supervising construction materials before the wheel was re-invented chose to direct it towards building terror tunnels and storage facilities for rockets.

Israel will probably accept the concept, much like it had with all of the above, but not only will it not solve any of the problems- it will just make for a far worse next round...
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