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Plates on tombs of unknown Ukrainian soldiers in Dnepropetrovsk region.
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Plates on tombs of unknown Ukrainian soldiers in Dnepropetrovsk region.
Draw attention to numbers.
It's just a register number, or are you claiming it means the Ukies have lost more than 6,500 soldiers killed?

If so, the figure would fit with the estimates, but without knowing what does numbers mean, because it may just be a reference number of the cementery, we cannot draw any conclusion. If the figure means they have already 6,500 unknown soldiers dead, then the losses would indeed be very high, and confirming previous estimates.
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It's just a register number, or are you claiming it means the Ukies have lost more than 6,500 soldiers killed?

If so, the figure would fit with the estimates, but without knowing what does numbers mean, because it may just be a reference number of the cementery, we cannot draw any conclusion. If the figure means they have already 6,500 unknown soldiers dead, then the losses would indeed be very high, and confirming previous estimates.
I don't claim anything, but it was photo from report about burial of a large number of Ukrainian soldiers.
Of course, it can be some local burial number, but I can't exclude it belongs to the overall number of killed soldiers...
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THe new cemetery for Ukrainian soldiers near Dnepropetrovsk (in continuation to previous posts)
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I don't claim anything, but it was photo from report about burial of a large number of Ukrainian soldiers.
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I don't claim anything, but it was photo from report about burial of a large number of Ukrainian soldiers.
Of course, it can be some local burial number, but I can't exclude it belongs to the overall number of killed soldiers...
I would say that no matter now the number was interpreted it indicates a high number of deaths. At face value 6500+, if it indicates plot 6 grave 554, then how many in plots 1-5?, at least 3324. If plot 65 grave 54 then at least 3510. We won't know for certain until Kiev gives proper numbers after the war, but I suspect the number is a running total and indicates 6500+ known deaths with a body to bury, and there will be more that are currently accounted as "missing".
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I would say that no matter now the number was interpreted it indicates a high number of deaths. At face value 6500+, if it indicates plot 6 grave 554, then how many in plots 1-5?, at least 3324. If plot 65 grave 54 then at least 3510. We won't know for certain until Kiev gives proper numbers after the war, but I suspect the number is a running total and indicates 6500+ known deaths with a body to bury, and there will be more that are currently accounted as "missing".
Nah, it's impossible to say what it means unless we have the exact knowledge(655 might be an unit number for all we know). What does the actual text say anyways?
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Nah, it's impossible to say what it means unless we have the exact knowledge(655 might be an unit number for all we know). What does the actual text say anyways?
It says "Temporarily unidentified defender of Ukraine" and the number is a registry number, it is written so. These numbers would start at 1 and proceed from there. It is not a unit number as it would also have the description of the unit, mechanised infantry, airborne etc, and there are no UA unit numbers that go so high anyway. Look at what we have seen, 25th brigade, 72nd, 93rd, 50th, 30th etc, and the ideological pravy sektor and oligarch owned units have names, not numbers.

On this page of Ukranian TSN channel, so I cannot be accused of bias, and from 29 September, it says about 350 graves being prepared for their soldiers at Odessa. It further says about everyday cargoes of 200 [dead] arriving at the morgues of Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Berdyansk, Mariupol and other frontline cities. Further, they admit to two thousand MIA, and Novorossiya only hold several hundred POW.
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What registry number?

Unless we know exactly what it means it's impossible to say. The military hardly ever uses sequential order starting from 0(Ukraine doesn't have 93 brigades for example).

The picture does not offer much proof either, is it just two graves? And if so, why the numbers end in 2 and 4, should it not be 2 and 3 if the order is starting from zero? It could be too many things to be any one thing.
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a) I'm not a communst. Moreover I'm anti-communist
b) If you knew how much can lie "democratic" regimes... Communists are resting with their poor facilities...
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If you knew how much can lie "democratic" regimes... Communists are resting with their poor facilities...
Oh, come on! Theoretically, a true communist should do everything better than a cursed imperialist. That implies a true communist is also better at lying than that random yank.
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a) I'm not a communst. Moreover I'm anti-communist
b) If you knew how much can lie "democratic" regimes... Communists are resting with their poor facilities...
Don't waste your time on him. For him and the likes of him, "Communist" is the symbol of everything bad. And "bad" is understood as "bad for America and the petty jackals which suck up to it and howl about evil Russia to get brownie points from the eager audience". Therefore no matter if you're advocating for social justice or defending the interests of your country's capitalists, you will always end up as a bad guy for American Imperialists.
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