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http://yurasumy.livejournal.com/150781.html

Surface forces.
Mechanised and tank troops

1st Separate Tank Brigade (8 AK), Tchernigov region
17th Separate Tank Brigade (6 AK). Krivoi Rog
24th Separate Mechanized Brigade (13 AK) Yavorov, Lvov region
28th Separate Mechanized Brigade (6 AK) Odessa region
30th Separate Mechanized Brigade (8 AK) Novograd-Volynsky, Zhitomir regeion
51st Separate Mechanized Brigade (13 AK) Vladimir-Volynskiy, Volyn region
72nd Separate Mechanized Brigade (8 AK), Belaya Tserkov, Kiev region
92nd Separate Mechanized Brigade (6 AK), Kharkov region
93rd Separate Mechanized Brigade (6 AK), Dnepropetrovsk region
128nd Separate Mountain Infantry Brigade, (13 AK), Mukachevo, Transcarpathian region
169th Training center, Tchernigov region

Artillery and rockets

19th Missile Brigade, Khmelnitskiy,
11th Artillery Brigade, Ternopol (13 AK)
26th Artillery Brigade, Berdichev (8 AK)
55th Artillery Brigade, Zaporozhje (6 AK)
15th Rocket Launchers Regiment, Drogobych (13 AK)
107th Rocket Launchers Regiment, Kremenchug, (8 AK)
27th Rocket Launchers Regiment, Sumy, (8 AK)

Air mobile troops
25th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Dnepropetrovsk region
79th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Nikolaev, Bolgrad
80th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Lvov, Tchernovtsi
95th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Zhitomir
28th Separate Training Air Mobile Battalion, Tchernigov region

Artillery brigades now are dispersed along the frontnlie, Partly defeated together with units to which ones they had been subordinated
Tank brigades are dispersed (by 1-2 companies) making shock groups in offensive

Units, defeated in previous fights

24th Separate Mechanized Brigade (13 AK) Yavorov, Lvov region
One battalion lost in the southern pocket. hte two others - defeated on Aug 12-14 in Saur-Mogila area. The remains redeployed to Melitopol area and waiting for their fate

30th Separate Mechanized Brigade (8 AK) Novograd-Volynsky, Zhitomir regeion
Two battalions defeated in Krasnyi Luch area (first half of Aug.). One battalion remained fighting

72nd Separate Mechanized Brigade (8 AK), Belaya Tserkov, Kiev region
Completely defeated in the Southern pocket (early Aug.). Remaine (~400 men) blamed as deserters and disperced through the country.

79th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Nikolaev, Bolgrad
Defeated in the southern pocket (early Aug.) Remains (~400 men) redeployed to initial location

Units which beared large casaulities:

25th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Dnepropetrovsk region
One battalion defeated in Shakhtersk area (early Aug.) Another battalion defeated in Marinovka-Kozhevnia a few days ago

51st Separate Mechanized Brigade (13 AK) Vladimir-Volynskiy, Volyn region
Part of forces defeated n the Southern pocket (early Aug.)

95th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Zhitomir
In fights since the very beginning. Bears losses all the time. Maybe the most engaged unit of the Ukrainian army. One battalion which took part in fights for Krasnyi Luch managed to retreat having losses. The other units now fights in Donetsk-Debaltsevo area composing main infantry filling of shock groups.

Remaining units:
28th Separate Mechanized Brigade (6 AK) Odessa region
Fresh unit. Composed from mobilized staff of Odessa citizens, which morale is quiestionable for junta. Maybe because of this it still is in reserve.

92nd Separate Mechanized Brigade (6 AK), Kharkov region
Operating at Lugansk front. One battalion in Kharkov region. As far as its personnel is fro Kharkov its morale also is questionable.

93rd Separate Mechanized Brigade (6 AK), Dnepropetrovsk region
Beared serious casaulities near Slavyansk and on approaches to Donetsk. Serves as base of junta forces in the northern and western areas of the Donetsk front. Because of losses it is partly understrengthened.

128nd Separate Mountain Infantry Brigade, (13 AK), Mukachevo, Transcarpathian region
At Lugansk front

80th Separate Air Mobile Brigade, Lvov, Tchernovtsi
In operative surrounding in Lutugino-Lugansk airfield
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So, we have FIVE relatively operable brigades. The rest are seriously understrengthened, or eliminated, or engaged in fights) one of which is in the pocket. Two others have questionable morale. The fourth is understrengthened and doesn't take part in offensive because of this.
Out of 12 "infantry" brigades
- 4 defeated and removed from battle ground
- 3 - beared serious losses
- 1 beared serious losses and offensive capacities are limited
- 1 - surrounded
- 2 - problems with ideology
The question is, who can bring victory to Ukrainian forces?
Anybody is still surprised all paramilitary units are throuwn into battle, some of those directly "from wheels"?
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Thread stuck. As more information comes in over time regarding specific units, please add said information here.
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Thread stuck. As more information comes in over time regarding specific units, please add said information here.
Why? Its pro russian propaganda from a single source which hardly can be described as neutral.
Would you please elaborate why this threads deserves to be sticky?

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....morale is quiestionable for junta. Maybe because of this it still is in reserve.

.... morale also is questionable.

... junta forces in the northern and western areas of the Donetsk front. Because of losses it is partly understrengthened.
Already the choice of words confirms the pure propaganda purpose of this post.
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Why? Its pro russian propaganda from a single source which hardly can be described as neutral.
Would you please elaborate why this threads deserves to be sticky?
Already the choice of words confirms the pure propaganda purpose of this post.
My post stated: As more information comes in over time regarding specific units, please add said information here.
This was not addressed to Alex, otherwise I would have quoted part of his previous post or addressed him directly. This was addressed to all forum members. If anyone obtains more information regarding specific units they can post it here. Capisce?
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My post stated: As more information comes in over time regarding specific units, please add said information here.
This was not addressed to Alex, otherwise I would have quoted part of his previous post or addressed him directly. This was addressed to all forum members. If anyone obtains more information regarding specific units they can post it here. Capisce?
Well, lets see:

https://twitter.com/poroshenko/statu...77071875948544
95th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took control of the regional center Yasynuvata the Donetsk region, which is of strategic importance. Glory to Ukraine!

https://twitter.com/stabilizec/statu...40203596419075
Pskov airborne troops (unit 74268) transfered to Millerovo
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Final of the 30th Mech Bde

A burning story about how the 30-th brigade of the junta was dealt with.
The story of one of the few survivors was re-interpreted by some sort of Ukrainian propagandist.( Collapse )


How the 30-th brigade perished: a story of a surviving Berdichevite

I'm not a traitor and I'm not an alarmist. But what happened with the 30-th brigade from Novograd-Volynsk deserves most careful examination by the public. Remaining silent about this means to betray the country and the guys that were left lying in the Donetsk soil. To betray their families and the people, which gives its best sons under the command of ...tards with huge stars on their epaulettes. I don't want to criticize anybody here, I just hope that the story of the frail Berdichev boy, who managed to survive during those events, will help Ukrainians understand that an incompetent officer is worse than Yanukovich...

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AMVAS: About T-90 tanks pure fantasies. Nobody seen those ones in Donbass.
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A burning story about how the 30-th brigade of the junta was dealt with.
Nice fantasy tale, but it likely has nothing to do with reality.
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A burning story about how the 30-th brigade of the junta was dealt with.
The story of one of the few survivors was re-interpreted by some sort of Ukrainian propagandist.( Collapse )


How the 30-th brigade perished: a story of a surviving Berdichevite

I'm not a traitor and I'm not an alarmist. But what happened with the 30-th brigade from Novograd-Volynsk deserves most careful examination by the public. Remaining silent about this means to betray the country and the guys that were left lying in the Donetsk soil. To betray their families and the people, which gives its best sons under the command of ...tards with huge stars on their epaulettes. I don't want to criticize anybody here, I just hope that the story of the frail Berdichev boy, who managed to survive during those events, will help Ukrainians understand that an incompetent officer is worse than Yanukovich...

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Wrong sub forum, here the correct one.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=131

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some actual infos:
Battalion Dnepr-1in Ilovaisk
Battalion Donbass and the 93rd Brigade in Ilovaisk
https://twitter.com/MiddleEast_BRK

Edit: Well, doesnt look like someone cares updating this thread. So whats its purpose again?

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Nice fantasy tale, but it likely has nothing to do with reality.
The only one question is where the 30th Mech Bde is? Last days it disappeared from daily reports. Fallen in parallel relity?

THe 25th air mobile Bde:

Ukrainian source:


"Open SMS-message of assistant of Dnepropetrovsk regional adminitration Gannadiy Korban to the Ministry of Defense Geletey.
Dear Valeriy Viktorovich, informing you the 25th DnepropetrovskBrigade lost 107 KIA and more than 500 WIA. Because of this asking you to move the brigade for reorganization. Only a few vehicles left. One of the companies organic to the 2nd battalion counts 6 men..."

Habing in mind the 25th Bde also became quite seldom in reports this can be true
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Here the location of some russian units:
331th regiment of the 98th russian airborne division, location: POW

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russian 76th airbone division from Pskov, location:




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Here the location of some russian units:
331th regiment of the 98th russian airborne division, location: POW
O rly? All 1500 of them? Care to elaborate?

Anyway, go and create separate thread for your nonsensial trolling. Maybe someone even will be interested.
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O rly? All 1500 of them? Care to elaborate?

Anyway, go and create separate thread for your nonsensial trolling. Maybe someone even will be interested.
iam trolling?
Did you care to read the stuff of the other posters in this thread? And you accuse me of trolling? Seriously?
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iam trolling?
Did you care to read the stuff of the other posters in this thread? And you accuse me of trolling? Seriously?
Yes. While their choise of words (like "junta" etc) may be somewhat biased, your post is completely irrelevant to this thread and disinformative to boot. Look at the thread title and you may get the idea why.
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Yes. While their choise of words (like "junta" etc) may be somewhat biased, your post is completely irrelevant to this thread and disinformative to boot. Look at the thread title and you may get the idea why.
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This was not addressed to Alex, otherwise I would have quoted part of his previous post or addressed him directly. This was addressed to all forum members. If anyone obtains more information regarding specific units they can post it here. Capisce?
Doesnt state if ukrainian or russian.
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Information from one of wives of a soldier from the 51st Brigade

On Aug. 26 from personnel of the 3rd Battalion Tactic group only 22 men are ready to fight. The others out of 250 full strength are KIA, WIA, MIA and POWs

P.S. Rebels reports about 40 POWs from this brigade to be captured
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