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Advice to Israel by a Kashmiri Women.

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GAZA: Amid the deadly Israeli-Hamas conflict, a Kashmiri woman who is married to a Palestinian here feels Israel can learn from India's experience in Kashmir while dealing with the volatile situation in Gaza.
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"It used to be quite terrible in Kashmir but things started to take a positive turn when the Indian government started to invest in education and found ways to send youngsters to learn outside the state," says Lubna, a bio-chemist who works for the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) in Gaza in its Department of National Defence.
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"I went to Aligarh Muslim University and my brother went to Manipal (University). We learnt and moved on in life. There are so many other youngsters my age who benefited from the Indian government's thinking and came out of the cycle of violence," Lubna noted.
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The problem with this is the Kashmiri woman lived in India, not "North of the Line" in Pakistan. I agree the Gaza government should be sending as many young people as possible out of Gaza to get college degrees. The problem is the Gaza government thinks they should shoot missiles at Israel AND get the benefits of a good life.

The answer is simple, quit shooting at the Israelis and get some of the sanctions lifted.

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A very detached and irrelevant advice, that might make sense to anyone that doesn't understand the situation but is strictly worthless for anyone that understands it.

In short- the absolute majority of Hamas leadership (for example) and possibly the entirety of it are academics, with a high percentage of PhDs.
Suicide bombers and just plain old run of the mill terrorists can (and are) doctors, lawyers and engineers.

The bomb making ability and facilities are often the result of a PhD. in chemistry and other relevant fields.

Education (or lack thereof) is certainly not the motivator nor the solution for these terrorists.
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The problem with this is the Kashmiri woman lived in India, not "North of the Line" in Pakistan. I agree the Gaza government should be sending as many young people as possible out of Gaza to get college degrees. The problem is the Gaza government thinks they should shoot missiles at Israel AND get the benefits of a good life.

The answer is simple, quit shooting at the Israelis and get some of the sanctions lifted.

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True she lived in India, but some change in scenario is desperately needed,

paronied , constantly fed pro war propaganda creates situation like that in Gaza.
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True she lived in India, but some change in scenario is desperately needed
Indeed, but education isn't one of them. At least not when education means formal, university, education.
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Indeed, but education isn't one of them. At least not when education means formal, university, education.
Education means about every thing besides, Allah, Infidel ,Kafirs, Jihad etc,

Education about earth, geology, Agriculture. Political thoughts, Renaissance, painting, poetry, Literature, History, History of evolution of Man ( besides 5 day, 6 days, theory) Dairy science, horticulture, Forestry, environmental science, etc.

Technical education in no mean can create a good person.

One of prominent Lady Doctor ( Gynecologist & Surgeon) from India was serving in one of Arab country in middle east under contract.
Their was one Egyptian Doctor who was serving under her, He was angry because he has to serve under a Woman, That too a Kafir, That too an Indian,

He use to call her by the word, The Women, You Women, etc, when their use to be disagreement he use to threaten her, Most of the time the simplest threat will be, " I will kill You Woman"

Where as the local Arab population The Patients were happy with her,
Refusing to be treated by That Egyptian Doctor, They use to call her the "Indian Johara"

Some time when that Egyptian Doctor use to mess-up in surgery, he will simply call the Indian Doctor and demand that she should clear the mess, with usual threats.

The Hospital Administration was indifferent, The Indian Doctor left for good.

You see technical education dose not mean that the person will be refined,

In Gaza life is horrible, Its Devils Garden, It will only produce Devils.
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True she lived in India, but some change in scenario is desperately needed,
Arabs in Golan are given education of their choice paid in full by Israel. Better deal than Jewish settlers.

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paronied , constantly fed pro war propaganda creates situation like that in Gaza.
Does India send Kashmirs in Pakistan to earn bio-chemistry degrees?
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Arabs in Golan are given education of their choice paid in full by Israel. Better deal than Jewish settlers.


Does India send Kashmirs in Pakistan to earn bio-chemistry degrees?
Very Nice if they give free education, Arab Israelis will certainly become Good Citizens of Israel.

India can not help the poor Kashmiris who live in Pakistan. As to gain the benefit they have to join the Indian Union.

The Lady in question of the story earned her degree from Aligarh Muslim University ,

Aligarh Muslim University is one of the Prominent Indian University, funded by Government of India, established by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan in 187578.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aligarh_Muslim_University

Many Indian and Pakistani Politicians Presidents , Vice Presidents were product of This University.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...versity_alumni

Lt. Gen. Zameeruddin Shah ( retired Indian Army) is the current Vice-Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zameerud-din_Shah

All though we can not educated all the Pakistanis, we do try to treat few of the.

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Indian doctors help Pakistani patients

Hundreds of Pakistanis travel to more medically advanced India each year to seek help. Many expect hostility in a nuclear rival of Pakistan, but they find compassion instead.

Reporting from Lahore, Pakistan Safwan Sarfraz waved a toy gun menacingly at his younger brother as they squabbled over a bottle of soda, hardly surprising behavior for a 4-year-old. What's more unusual was the pacemaker and rebuilt heart chamber beneath a large bandage on his small chest.

Safwan is alive thanks to rare cooperation between uneasy nuclear neighbors India and Pakistan that sees several hundred Pakistanis a year traveling to India on health visas, most for heart operations.
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"He's not quite ready to play cricket," said his father, Sheraz Sarfraz, 30, a cellphone repairman. "But he's growing stronger and more active every day."

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For Pakistanis with serious health problems, neighboring India offers high success rates. And although many Pakistanis arrive in India fearful

"I thought they'd be mean to us, think we were the enemy," Sarfraz said. "But we met many nice people who even bought food for us. You don't behave like that if you harbor hate in your heart."

Friends and relatives back home can be even warier, sometimes expressing concern before a heart transplant that their loved ones will get an Indian heart.

"How ridiculous! A heart is a heart no matter where it comes from," countered Nida Rashid, a British-educated journalist from Lahore whose aunt recently had a liver transplant. "But if you're educated in Pakistani schools, taught to hate anything India in the textbooks, you have this sort of thinking. It's high time people realize that India has a lot to offer and they should make use of it."

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The cases also tend to be challenging, and therefore more interesting, he said, and Pakistani patients are generally very trusting.

"They have real faith, different from us," he Said. "Maybe it's because they've been knocked down so much, which makes it easier, and you can do a better job."

He said bureaucrats occasionally cause delays. The Indian side was wary of one of his recent cases, a pregnant woman coming to deliver a baby with heart problems, amid questions of whether the baby would become an Indian citizen (it didn't). But by and large the foreign ministries on both sides are supportive, Sharma said.

"Borders and citizenship are man-made problems," he said. "Children don't know; they just come into the world."
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Education means about every thing besides, Allah, Infidel ,Kafirs, Jihad etc,

Education about earth, geology, Agriculture. Political thoughts, Renaissance, painting, poetry, Literature, History, History of evolution of Man ( besides 5 day, 6 days, theory) Dairy science, horticulture, Forestry, environmental science, etc.
The Gaza strip has 8 Universities in it and the WB has 14, there are numerous other academic institutes (here's the list- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_and_colleges)

As you can see- at least almost all have the fields you mentioned and some are even under the UN (UNESCO). Doesn't help.
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It is a bit like the Northern Ireland Project where you take teenagers out of Ulster and send them to complete their education where there is no violence going on. That way they can see a different kind of normal. While I am sure some of the Gaza and West Bank Universities put out credible curriculum, the key is to get the students somewhere without the propaganda constantly being drummed into them.

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It is a bit like the Northern Ireland Project where you take teenagers out of Ulster and send them to complete their education where there is no violence going on. That way they can see a different kind of normal. While I am sure some of the Gaza and West Bank Universities put out credible curriculum, the key is to get the students somewhere without the propaganda constantly being drummed into them.

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There are plenty programs that offer free education, board and spending money for Palestinians (both from the PA and Jordan), Arab-Israelis and Jewish-Israelis, the most known is the one by the E.U for Germany. Never been on one but I hear from some of my friends that it's quite the opposite of success.

Moreover- given the academic situation in "the west" they are probably more likely to actually radicalize...
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It is a bit like the Northern Ireland Project where you take teenagers out of Ulster and send them to complete their education where there is no violence going on. That way they can see a different kind of normal. While I am sure some of the Gaza and West Bank Universities put out credible curriculum, the key is to get the students somewhere without the propaganda constantly being drummed into them.

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exactly, In Kashmir the local student's are sent to different location's, where they lead normal lives. The lady has been sent to Aligarh Muslim University, that is in UP (Uttar Pradesh) far away from Kashmir. Her brother was sent to Manipal that is Far away in Karnataka.

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No I did not. I was making a example of Israeli generosity toward Arabs that don't shoot rockets at them. Israel also allows Arabs to travel between Syria and Golan freely..........again no rockets fired constantly from Golan.

Please do not make more foolish posts trying to insult my intelligence and geographic knowledge. The only one that apparently did not comprehend my post was.........well, YOU.
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No I did not. I was making a example of Israeli generosity toward Arabs that don't shoot rockets at them. Israel also allows Arabs to travel between Syria and Golan freely..........again no rockets fired constantly from Golan.

Please do not make more foolish posts trying to insult my intelligence and geographic knowledge. The only one that apparently did not comprehend my post was.........well, YOU.
In the 1980's Israel pursued a policy of relative full, daily migratory employment in the WB and Gaza Strip. the program was relatively successful in the short term. In the long term, the failure to develop viable local entrepreneurs meant that talented people found outlets elsewhere.
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