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The spreading of lies doesn't necessarily make you a liar. Just ignorant of your actions, and ignorant of the facts.
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Don't call me a liar,

So I ask again, how do you feel about this
Just for a start-
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=149774

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=150058

It is unfortuneate if/when Palestinian children are killed, but it is entirely Hamas' fault.
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Just for a start-
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=149774

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=150058

It is unfortuneate if/when Palestinian children are killed, but it is entirely Hamas' fault.
Agreed. Had Hamas not started this round of fighting, no civilians, Israeli and Palestinian, would have been killed from the fighting. Logic and common sense, that's all it is. Some posters tend to lack those traits.
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A drug cartel would not do that unless there was profit init for them.
...Obviously. Hamas wouldn't have done it unless they profited from the attack in some way or the other (doesn't have to be money). But that's not what I was asking was it?

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Besides which in this war so far, the IDF has killed more civillians than Hamas.
Ah, you are one those type of people who have trouble understanding the differences between an intentional terrorist attack on civilians, the objective being killing and maiming as many people as possible with no warning what-so-ever and a an attack on an combatant emplacement, using state-of-the-art precision guided munitions, with the sole objective of killing ONLY combatants with clear and repetitive warnings beforehand (except that those same terrorist combatants, for some strange reason, tell civilians NOT to evacuate from areas that received those same warnings).

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Just curious as a serving IDF soldier, do you feel anything when you see the bodies of dead children after bombing by Israeli forces. A UN school full of kids after being told 17 times by the UN was still bombed for gods sake.
FYI, I am not yet a soldier.
I find it absolutely appalling, gut-wrenching, depressing and despairing to see an organization that controls one of the most densely populated cities in the world hide explosive munitions and firearms inside and under buildings that would obviously be used by innocent citizens, and lots of them too. Buildings such as hospitals, clinics, schools, apartment buildings.....I am so sorry that those kids died, because some ******* knew they'd die if he hid a rocket launcher right by a playground, so that's why he hid it there.

Just curious, as a serving dumba, do you find it necessary to fully understand who we are fighting, why and the way they use their own citizens as another tool in the shed or are you satisfied with your ignorance?
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Just for a start-
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=149774

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=150058

It is unfortuneate if/when Palestinian children are killed, but it is entirely Hamas' fault.


Folks dont have to agree with IDF viewpoints on this Israel/Palestine conflict. There is a reason 3rd parties are brought in to investigate warfare such as this recent conflict in Israel/Palestine. And This time around, Ban Ki moon spoke up,

At least 10 people have been killed in a strike near a UN-run school housing Palestinians displaced by the Gaza conflict, medics say.

The attack hit the entrance of the facility in Rafah, where thousands of Palestinians are said to be sheltering


UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon described the attack as a "moral outrage and a criminal act"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28628682

Oded, media reports are coming out from all over, talking about how some of these UN schools that have been hit by the IDF, dont have weapons inside of where the civilians are staying. Rather, the weapons are either not there or the weapons are on "campus" but not in the same building as where the civilians are.



This so called incredible IDF technology and so called morally outstanding IDF army has killed over 1000 civilians so far, while only killing about 200 Hamas militants.

While I expect an IDF media soldier like yourself to reject claims of civilian attacks by the IDF. I think you mistake the UN and others for some type of hatred of Israel, this is not the case. What we have going on here are humanitarian groups calling out Israel and Hamas for certain events, much like in other places around the world where battles/warfare are occurring.

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The spreading of lies doesn't necessarily make you a liar. Just ignorant of your actions, and ignorant of the facts.
Ha ha, so all those organisations are lying are they
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Just for a start-
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=149774

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=150058

It is unfortuneate if/when Palestinian children are killed, but it is entirely Hamas' fault.
With respect that is a pathetic anwser. We are talking about women and children with no where whatsoever to go. The IDF is also meant to be the Legitmate professional army, not a terrorist organisation and as such there are certain responsibilities on that force.

Yes Hamas is an evil organisation and I believe that Israel is fully justified in going after them and you are right about them, but the amount of innocents being killed is horrific and you cannot simply blame Hamas when you have been told by the UN 17 times there was no Hamas there just children.
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With respect that is a pathetic anwser. We are talking about women and children with no where whatsoever to go.
They actually have plenty to go to. It's just that Hamas forces them to say put and serve as human shield to influence the feeble minded.

Obviously it's working quite well for them.
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Yes Hamas is an evil organisation and I believe that Israel is fully justified in going after them and you are right about them, but the amount of innocents being killed is horrific and you cannot simply blame Hamas when you have been told by the UN 17 times there was no Hamas there just children.
The amount of innocent being killed is, relatively, the lowest in any conflict involving a military organization using the population as a human shield (and probably most that weren't such).

The reports of "no Hamas only children" is nothing short of blood libel. It has been proven beyond the shadow of any doubt that Hamas had been using schools, mosques, hospitals, family homes and every type of UN facility in the Gaza strip as some sort of terrorist facility- weapon storage, rocket launching, HQ, etc. Just as they had done since it's onset.
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With respect that is a pathetic anwser. We are talking about women and children with no where whatsoever to go. The IDF is also meant to be the Legitmate professional army, not a terrorist organisation and as such there are certain responsibilities on that force.

Yes Hamas is an evil organisation and I believe that Israel is fully justified in going after them and you are right about them, but the amount of innocents being killed is horrific and you cannot simply blame Hamas when you have been told by the UN 17 times there was no Hamas there just children.

Not to mention, Oded has occasionally posted racist/bigoted viewpoints of Arabs and Muslims in general, some vile posts, if you look at it from a non bias viewpoint.

Golani continues to act bigoted toward Palestinians with viewpoints about "human shields" as an excuse for alleged IDF war crimes

You can not expect a legitimate discussion with a IDF media soldier/propagandist like Golani. That said, its safe to say Oded represents the far right in Israel, there are plenty of Israelis who want a two state solution and for the Palestinians to have their legitimate grievances against Israel, addressed.

You said it yourself, the UN has condemned Israel 17 times and yet the response you get from Golani is one side propaganda talking about human shields.
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Not to mention, Oded has occasionally posted racist/bigoted viewpoints of Arabs and Muslims in general, some vile posts, if you look at it from a non bias viewpoint.

Golani continues to act bigoted toward Palestinians with viewpoints about "human shields" as an excuse for alleged IDF war crimes

You can not expect a legitimate discussion with a IDF media soldier/propagandist like Golani. That said, its safe to say Oded represents the far right in Israel, there are plenty of Israelis who want a two state solution and for the Palestinians to have their legitimate grievances against Israel, addressed.

You said it yourself, the UN has condemned Israel 17 times and yet the response you get from Golani is one side propaganda talking about human shields.
I'd tell you to quite lying but that would be like asking water to stop being wet.

Here's a +1 for ya, you managed to troll me.
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I'm wondering if all those in the US, UK etc criticising Israel over the Palestinian civilian casualties should remember that their own soldiers killed a lot of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting the terrorists there too.
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You can not expect a legitimate discussion with a IDF media soldier/propagandist like Golani. That said, its safe to say Oded represents the far right in Israel, there are plenty of Israelis who want a two state solution and for the Palestinians to have their legitimate grievances against Israel, addressed.
Oded represents the far right? Dude if Oded is the "far" right then you represent Americas extreme liberal left. You really have no clue what you are talking about.
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There are liars, willfully lying and what not. Then there are the ignorant helpers, "useful" idiots as I've seen them labeled.
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With respect that is a pathetic anwser. We are talking about women and children with no where whatsoever to go. The IDF is also meant to be the Legitmate professional army, not a terrorist organisation and as such there are certain responsibilities on that force.

Yes Hamas is an evil organisation and I believe that Israel is fully justified in going after them and you are right about them, but the amount of innocents being killed is horrific and you cannot simply blame Hamas when you have been told by the UN 17 times there was no Hamas there just children.
Actually, Hamas can simply be blamed for all of this. They're using the deaths of women and children to further their own ends.

EDITED TO ADD: And why would Israel giving a flying f**k what the UN says at this point? The UN has no interest in being unbiased here and cannot be relied on.
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