HistoryNet.com RSS
ArmchairGeneral.com RSS

HistoryNet.com Articles
America's Civil War
American History
Aviation History
Civil War Times
MHQ
Military History
Vietnam
Wild West
World War II

ACG Online
ACG Magazine
Stuff We Like
War College
History News
Tactics 101
Carlo D'Este
Books

ACG Gaming
Boardgames
PC Game Reviews

ACG Network
Contact Us
Our Newsletter
Meet Our Staff
Advertise With Us

Sites We Support
HistoryNet.com
StreamHistory.com
Once A Marine
The Art of Battle
Game Squad
Mil. History Podcast
Russian Army - WW2
Achtung Panzer!
Mil History Online

Go Back   Armchair General and HistoryNet >> The Best Forums in History > World History Group Hosting > RKKA (The Russian Army) in World War II

Notices and Announcements

RKKA (The Russian Army) in World War II Discuss the Russian armed forces in World War II. Hosted by our resident Russian expert, AMVAS. Please visit his RKKA in WW2 Website.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 31 Jul 04, 08:42
Andrey's Avatar
Andrey Andrey is offline
General
Russia
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Omsk, Russia
Posts: 5,438
Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally posted by Uberdave
DEEP in the REAR? Is it a homosexual love story between two young soldaty?

Did you see these movies?

DEEP REAR is place which is far from frontline.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 31 Jul 04, 10:39
BarcelonaBlom's Avatar
BarcelonaBlom BarcelonaBlom is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
Model Forum Group Build (Multiple) 
 
Real Name: Richard Bledsoe
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: MCAS Miramar, California
Posts: 7,055
BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400]
BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400]
Quote:
Originally posted by Andrey
Did you see these movies?

DEEP REAR is place which is far from frontline.
Andrey could you put a * in front of the action ones and a # in front of the dramas so everyone knows which ones are which... They all look good and I'll watch a drama myself but it would help.
__________________
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed. -Carl Jung

Hell is other people. -Jean-Paul Sarte
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 31 Jul 04, 12:34
amvas's Avatar
amvas amvas is offline
RKKA in World War II Forum CO
Russia
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
 
Real Name: Alex
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Moscow, Russia
Posts: 5,651
amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200]
Andrey, Uberdave....
You laughed me into tears with your "DEEP in the REAR"

Really this origined with incorrect translation of Andrey.
He meant "IN DEEP REARS" of the USSR or "hinterland", but what he had wrote really can be read in a funny way
__________________
If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 31 Jul 04, 19:12
Uberdave's Avatar
Uberdave Uberdave is offline
Corporal
United_States
5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 67
Uberdave is a balanced individual [0]
@ Andrey
"DEEP REAR is place which is far from frontline."

Yes, I know. I was just making a joke...even if it was a bad one.
__________________
"When you die on the battlefield, make sure that your corpse faces the enemy camp."
-Hakagure
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01 Aug 04, 00:56
Andrey's Avatar
Andrey Andrey is offline
General
Russia
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Omsk, Russia
Posts: 5,438
Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally posted by Uberdave
Great list!

Ive been wanting to order 'Come and See', but the cheapest copy Ive found is about US $30.
Look this
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...video&n=162391
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #21  
Old 01 Aug 04, 02:21
Leatherneck's Avatar
Leatherneck Leatherneck is offline
ACG Forum Staff
United_States
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Real Name: Austin
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Conway, AR
Posts: 3,085
Leatherneck has disabled reputation
Anvas and Andrey

Have you guys see the movie call "K-19: Widowmaker"? Just wonder if you have seen it.

Army
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01 Aug 04, 09:32
Andrey's Avatar
Andrey Andrey is offline
General
Russia
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Omsk, Russia
Posts: 5,438
Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally posted by Army
Anvas and Andrey

Have you guys see the movie call "K-19: Widowmaker"? Just wonder if you have seen it.

Army
I saw it.

It is relatively good movie, it is first Hollywood movie where officers and sailors are like real Soviet sailors, their faces and uniform are very like with real Soviet (Russian) ones, sometimes I forgot that it was US movie with US actors.

Unfortunally, movie had some very bad Western stamps about Soviets. I read interview with real Russian military submariner who was adviser of movie director.

In some questions he spoke that things are made wrong but director answered: We make movie for money, western spectator will not understand it, we have to do movie which will give us money.

For example, it was about disorder during "Alarm". Soviet submariner said that he learned actors to make their duties during "Alarm" and they made necessary operations in complete order. And Russian submariner said for movie director that he learned completely untrained actors to make duties during "Alarm" without any disorder and why does director suppose that sailors of Soviet regular nuclear submarines couldn't study it also. Director answered that it was made for entertainment of US spectators...
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01 Aug 04, 12:07
BarcelonaBlom's Avatar
BarcelonaBlom BarcelonaBlom is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
Model Forum Group Build (Multiple) 
 
Real Name: Richard Bledsoe
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: MCAS Miramar, California
Posts: 7,055
BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400]
BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400] BarcelonaBlom has a spectacular aura about [400]
Quote:
Originally posted by Andrey


In some questions he spoke that things are made wrong but director answered: We make movie for money, western spectator will not understand it, we have to do movie which will give us money.

For example, it was about disorder during "Alarm". Soviet submariner said that he learned actors to make their duties during "Alarm" and they made necessary operations in complete order. And Russian submariner said for movie director that he learned completely untrained actors to make duties during "Alarm" without any disorder and why does director suppose that sailors of Soviet regular nuclear submarines couldn't study it also. Director answered that it was made for entertainment of US spectators...
ACK! I hate that.. I want to see things AS THEY HAPPENED not some thing thrown in for dramatic effect. K-19 is a true story so lets see the truth...
__________________
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed. -Carl Jung

Hell is other people. -Jean-Paul Sarte
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01 Aug 04, 13:05
Leatherneck's Avatar
Leatherneck Leatherneck is offline
ACG Forum Staff
United_States
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Real Name: Austin
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Conway, AR
Posts: 3,085
Leatherneck has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally posted by Andrey
I saw it.

It is relatively good movie, it is first Hollywood movie where officers and sailors are like real Soviet sailors, their faces and uniform are very like with real Soviet (Russian) ones, sometimes I forgot that it was US movie with US actors.

Unfortunally, movie had some very bad Western stamps about Soviets. I read interview with real Russian military submariner who was adviser of movie director.

In some questions he spoke that things are made wrong but director answered: We make movie for money, western spectator will not understand it, we have to do movie which will give us money.

For example, it was about disorder during "Alarm". Soviet submariner said that he learned actors to make their duties during "Alarm" and they made necessary operations in complete order. And Russian submariner said for movie director that he learned completely untrained actors to make duties during "Alarm" without any disorder and why does director suppose that sailors of Soviet regular nuclear submarines couldn't study it also. Director answered that it was made for entertainment of US spectators...
Actually, Harrison Ford was pretty good on that movie i mean i just saw the making K-19 Widowmaker not long ago and he was discussing about the crews of K-19 were heroes i mean they did the risk to try save the sub, but most of them died from radiation sickness(Is that correct?).

Army
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 01 Aug 04, 13:20
Andrey's Avatar
Andrey Andrey is offline
General
Russia
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Omsk, Russia
Posts: 5,438
Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally posted by BarcelonaBlom
ACK! I hate that.. I want to see things AS THEY HAPPENED not some thing thrown in for dramatic effect. K-19 is a true story so lets see the truth...
Yes, real story of K-19 is story of feat. But I doubt that real story of K-19 was showm corretly in movie.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 01 Aug 04, 13:34
Andrey's Avatar
Andrey Andrey is offline
General
Russia
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Omsk, Russia
Posts: 5,438
Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally posted by Army
Actually, Harrison Ford was pretty good on that movie i mean i just saw the making K-19 Widowmaker not long ago and he was discussing about the crews of K-19 were heroes i mean they did the risk to try save the sub, but most of them died from radiation sickness(Is that correct?).

Army
No, as I know only some part of them died from radiation.

About correctness of movie. When real members of K-19 crew in Russia saw first version of movie they were outraged. As I know they do not like and last version. They spoke that it was parody on Soviet Navy...

As for me I saw very many strange episodes for believing in correctness of movie.

Firstly, Soviet officers were not idiots but some their actions in movie are strange. (I am Russian leuitenant and I am speakimg for you that Russian officers are not idiots).

For example, captain sent repair party in zone with high radiation and saw that these guys got too large dose of radiation, what will normal officer order to next repair party? Yes, normal officer will reduce time of staying in zone of radiation for saving of their lifes. But in movie captain sent sailors for the same time like first party (it means to send them on death) and I doubt that in reality Soviet captain could do it.

Also there are very many other strange orders and decisios in movie...
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 01 Aug 04, 23:56
Andrey's Avatar
Andrey Andrey is offline
General
Russia
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Omsk, Russia
Posts: 5,438
Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Here is other GREAT link on US E-shop with Russian-Soviet movies

http://www.russianbeat.com/v_tree.cf...E5%ED%ED%FB%E5

You will find here very many movies from my list.

Unfortunally not all these movies are translated in English.

Here is link on other excellent classic movie about Soviet spy in Germany

http://www.russianbeat.com/v_tree.cf...E5%ED%ED%FB%E5

"Shchit i mech"
("Shield and sword")

Shield and sword were in sign of KGB, it means that KGB protected interests of country.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 02 Aug 04, 00:59
Andrey's Avatar
Andrey Andrey is offline
General
Russia
ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Omsk, Russia
Posts: 5,438
Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100] Andrey has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally posted by Army
Anvas and Andrey

Have you guys see the movie call "K-19: Widowmaker"? Just wonder if you have seen it.

Army
If you are interesting about Russian submariners...

Here is link on "72 meters", it is modern Russian movie about submariners, it is "Russian answer on K-19" according advertisement.

http://www.russianbeat.com/v_tree.cf...E5%F2%ED%FB%E9

I saw it and it is great movie.

Attention: I gave you link on Russian language version but I know that this movie was shown in Hollywood to US cinema stars some months ago.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 02 Aug 04, 03:47
amvas's Avatar
amvas amvas is offline
RKKA in World War II Forum CO
Russia
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
 
Real Name: Alex
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Moscow, Russia
Posts: 5,651
amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200]
Quote:
Originally posted by Army
Anvas and Andrey

Have you guys see the movie call "K-19: Widowmaker"? Just wonder if you have seen it.

Army
Nope, I wasn't. I'm trying to avoid American movies about Russians. Usually they have nothing in common with real Russians. I see only stamps and myths.. :crazy:

Speaking about K-19 I agree with Andrey in general...
__________________
If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 02 Aug 04, 04:00
amvas's Avatar
amvas amvas is offline
RKKA in World War II Forum CO
Russia
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
 
Real Name: Alex
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Moscow, Russia
Posts: 5,651
amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200] amvas is walking in the light [200]
Yesterday I saw one interesting Russain movie "Allegro s Ognem" (Allegro with Fire). I know it to be based on REAL events - fight of Soviet miners agains German aerial mines in June-July 1941 in Sevastopol. By that ones Germans tried to lock the Black Sea Fleet into ist base, but failed. Germans thought that mines to be unneutralizable. They designed lots of different traps and self-liquidators, but nothing helped. Secrets of that mines were revealed and Soviet Navy didn't got significant affect of German mines on Naval operations. Heh, much more affect was of Soviet mine-fields against Soviet ships...

In that movie the main subject is correctly shown. Incorrect is only two things i) loss of mine-sweeper with all its crew from mine explosion. In reality it successfully did its work.... ii) When commander ordered "Put away gang-plank". In reality, noone sailor will call ship's ladder a "gang-plank".....
__________________
If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Reply

Please bookmark this thread if you enjoyed it!


Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:59.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.