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...If his subordinates had carried out his orders as he issued them perhaps things would have turned out different...
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And at the LBH...and Custers brilliance.
Custer was neither a good regimental commander, nor brilliant. And he got his men slaughtered to no purpose and disobeyed orders to boot.

Custer probably had too little regimental service to become a good regimental commander.

The 7th Cavalry was not the best regiment on the frontier, not even close. And Custer was not a good leader either for the regiment was clique-ridden and not a cohesive unit.

That was Custer's fault.

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The 7th Cavalry was not the best regiment on the frontier, not even close.
Ranald "Bad Hand" Mackenzie and the 4th United States Cavalry?

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...nald+Mackenzie
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We would have to consider the 2nd, 9th and 10th Cavalry Regiments for sure.

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We would have to consider the 2nd, 9th and 10th Cavalry Regiments for sure.
Point taken. I'm not sure we can say a certain cavalry regiment was the best on the frontier. But Mackenzie and the 4th certainly saw more hard and successful campaigning than Custer and the 7th ever did.
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Custer was neither a good regimental commander, nor brilliant. And he got his men slaughtered to no purpose and disobeyed orders to boot.

Custer probably had too little regimental service to become a good regimental commander.

The 7th Cavalry was not the best regiment on the frontier, not even close. And Custer was not a good leader either for the regiment was clique-ridden and not a cohesive unit.

That was Custer's fault.

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I disagree with this assessment with regards to Custer's War service. When in a Structured environment, he performed quite well. I fully agree with it regarding his post-war service. When given free rein, he performed poorly. The best Cavalry Regiment on the Frontier was the 4th.
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Custer was no battlefield master tactician. He made the same sort of blunders at Little Big Horn, as Chelmsford made about 4 or 5 days later at Isandlwana.

Things like underestimating the opposition, and splitting up his forces in enemy territory without sufficient fore-knowledge of the oppositions' deployment and intentions.
"4 or 5 days later" ? Plus three years perhaps ?

There's no doubt that a certain mystique has grown up around the Little Big Horn action but, on that score, I hardly think Custer qualifies as a "Great" , much less the "Greatest" General.

After all, he failed in the ultimate test of any commander:- he lost.
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I disagree with this assessment with regards to Custer's War service. When in a Structured environment, he performed quite well. I fully agree with it regarding his post-war service. When given free rein, he performed poorly. The best Cavalry Regiment on the Frontier was the 4th.
I said nothing about Custer's war service. I remarked upon his lack of regimental service, meaning that he wasn't a junior officer in a cavalry regiment for any length of time so that he could learn his profession, how to care for both his men and horses. Murat, during the Napoleonic period, had the same problem.

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"4 or 5 days later" ? Plus three years perhaps ?

There's no doubt that a certain mystique has grown up around the Little Big Horn action but, on that score, I hardly think Custer qualifies as a "Great" , much less the "Greatest" General.

After all, he failed in the ultimate test of any commander:- he lost.
Losing isn't necessarily the ultimate test. Many good commanders, great captains some of them, lost battles. However, Custer lost badly, got himself and his immediate command annihilated with the exception of one horse, and disobeyed orders to boot.

There is a great difference.

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Custer - the hussar


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I said nothing about Custer's war service. I remarked upon his lack of regimental service, meaning that he wasn't a junior officer in a cavalry regiment for any length of time so that he could learn his profession, how to care for both his men and horses. Murat, during the Napoleonic period, had the same problem.

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Excellent comparison. Custer disregarded his own Army's doctrine, he rode his men and horses into exhaustion (while disobeying his orders), he did not pay sufficient attention to individual training, and most perplexing, despite going headlong into what was certainly going to be a tough fight, he did not bother to issue extra ammunition to his men.

The glorious headlong charge, a tactic long abandoned by the US Army, was his preferred mode.
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