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Is this lack of debris normal? I was expecting more.
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Could have been poor maintenance.

The lack of debris tells me that the plane was intact when it went down.
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The lack of debris tells me that the plane was intact when it went down.
It's actually the other way around.

When an aircraft impacts the water in one piece at high speed, the aircraft shatters (somewhat like glass) and a relatively concentrated debris field results. Though in such a scenario, many pieces have a tendency to sink.
A good example of this was Swissair 111 that crashed into the ocean at high speed off the coast of Nova Scotia. The debris field was fairly concentrated and A LOT of it washed up on shore, though they were all mostly fairly small pieces. I was involved in the search for wreckage of that one.

If it explodes in mid air and falls to the water, the debris that doesn't sink immediately is very widely scattered.

The lack of debris would indicate that some catastrophic event occurred while in flight, thereby scattering any floating debris over a very large area.
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Could have been poor maintenance.

The lack of debris tells me that the plane was intact when it went down.
Hitting water from altitude is almost like hitting cement. The only difference is debris don't sink in cement.
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Hitting water from altitude is almost like hitting cement. The only difference is debris don't sink in cement.

An accurate answer to what happened will be virtually impossible until some pieces are found.
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An accurate answer to what happened will be virtually impossible until some pieces are found.
Accidents.......or rather incidents like this usually receive efforts internationally. Remember Air France 447? I think it look over two years before they found and retrieved the black boxes using all the high tech underwater gear that the entire world had to offer.
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China 'Concern' Over North Korea Rocket Fired Near Airliner
Mar. 6, 2014 - 06:03PM | By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

BEIJING Beijing expressed concern Thursday after North Korea fired a rocket into the flight path of a Chinese airliner during weapons tests.

Pyongyang has drawn criticism from Seoul and Washington for firing half a dozen short-range missiles off its east coast in recent days, followed on Tuesday by a volley of rockets from multiple launchers.

South Korea said a Chinese airliner with more than 200 passengers on board crossed the trajectory of one of the rockets seven minutes after it passed by.

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Accidents.......or rather incidents like this usually receive efforts internationally. Remember Air France 447? I think it look over two years before they found and retrieved the black boxes using all the high tech underwater gear that the entire world had to offer.

Is that the one that crashed in the Atlantic off Brazil ?
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An accurate answer to what happened will be virtually impossible until some pieces are found.

The plane went missing in the area of the South China Sea, the waters there are pretty shallow with a max depth of around 100 meters.
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wow just wow if that ends up being the cause. The odds of that happening got to be almost impossible.
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The plane went missing in the area of the South China Sea, the waters there are pretty shallow with a max depth of around 100 meters.
I heard in the news recovery should be faster relatively because the water in the suspected site is only 40 meters.
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wow just wow if that ends up being the cause. The odds of that happening got to be almost impossible.
Not just almost, its impossible. Totally different area.l
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It's over 2,000 miles from NK to where this plane went missing. That isn't short range. I haven't heard of a terrorist organization claiming responsibility so is it safe to discount terrorist at this stage?
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Is that the one that crashed in the Atlantic off Brazil ?
Yes, an Air France Machine.
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It's over 2,000 miles from NK to where this plane went missing. That isn't short range.

I'm aware of the distance.

Just thought it was an interesting bit of news, in light of the missing airliner.



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I haven't heard of a terrorist organization claiming responsibility so is it safe to discount terrorist at this stage?
I haven't either. I hope it was not. No group coming forward to claim responsibility so far is a good sign in that respect.

I am really surprised and very concerned that there is still no sign of the airplane.
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