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Sourcing the quote; fustest/furstest with the mostest

Hello,
Does anyone have a citation for the Nathan Bedford Forrest quote about timely arrival in force? I can't seem to find it anywhere in my ACW books but the quote would be very handy for my work on time/timing in war.

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Quotes by General Forrest

Origin of "First With the Most"

The real and correct quote of Confederate General N. B. Forrest concerning "first with the most" came during a discussion between Forrest and Generals Basil Duke & John Hunt Morgan during the middle part of the war (1862). The quote was promptly spread by his men, and then reaffirmed in a post war interview with a northern newspaper reporter.

In the first interview at Murfreesboro, TN, Forrest was asked by Duke & Morgan to what he attributed his stunning success. The General replied that he "just got there first with the most men." Of course, Forrest rarely had the most men, but was adept at finding the weak point and bursting upon it with an overpowering thrust with more men than the enemy had at that point. From this the legend grew and was spread by friend and foe alike.

In the postwar interview, this again came up and Forrest replied "I was just first with the most." Later biographers, inferring that Forrest was raised in the backwoods and would have used more of a 'cracker Southern dialect' transformed the quote into "get thar fustest with the mostest." In 1918, Sir Frederick Maurice, during WW1 writings, properly attributed the motto correctly, but the folklore version was thoroughly implanted and sticks with the General today. In 1944, author Robert Henry's book "First With the Most" reintroduced the correct formal quote to modern historians.

So today, the slang version is still used along with the correct one.
http://www.tennessee-scv.org/Forrest...ty/quotes.html
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Thank you, I think I have something by Morris kicking around so I might be able to find it citabel there too - thanks again
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Maurice, even
Teach me to look more carefully;

‘To one who once asked him to what he attributed his victories he answered, ‘ I get there fustest with the mostest men.’ There we have in eight words the gist of many volumes of Jomini and Clausewitz’ –
Maurice, F. Robert E. Lee the Soldier (First Edition. Boston, MA. Houghton Mifflin Company. 1925) – PP. 21

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Quotes by General Forrest

Origin of "First With the Most"

The real and correct quote of Confederate General N. B. Forrest concerning "first with the most" came during a discussion between Forrest and Generals Basil Duke & John Hunt Morgan during the middle part of the war (1862). The quote was promptly spread by his men, and then reaffirmed in a post war interview with a northern newspaper reporter.

In the first interview at Murfreesboro, TN, Forrest was asked by Duke & Morgan to what he attributed his stunning success. The General replied that he "just got there first with the most men." Of course, Forrest rarely had the most men, but was adept at finding the weak point and bursting upon it with an overpowering thrust with more men than the enemy had at that point. From this the legend grew and was spread by friend and foe alike.

In the postwar interview, this again came up and Forrest replied "I was just first with the most." Later biographers, inferring that Forrest was raised in the backwoods and would have used more of a 'cracker Southern dialect' transformed the quote into "get thar fustest with the mostest." In 1918, Sir Frederick Maurice, during WW1 writings, properly attributed the motto correctly, but the folklore version was thoroughly implanted and sticks with the General today. In 1944, author Robert Henry's book "First With the Most" reintroduced the correct formal quote to modern historians.

So today, the slang version is still used along with the correct one.

http://www.tennessee-scv.org/Forrest...ty/quotes.html
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I'd say that Jack got here firstest with the mostest information!


Yep and good info at that.
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Thanks guys. Just want to make sure that I'm not the author of the info but the provider of the source.

Selous, that was an interesting question. I didn't know where "fustest with the mosted" originated from although I was aware Forrest hadn't exactly said it that way. Now I know
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