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The United States Marines used flamethrowers in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. The M132 Armored Flamethrower, an M113 armored personnel carrier with a mounted flame thrower was successfully used in the conflict.

Flamethrowers have not been in the U.S. arsenal since 1978, when the Department of Defense unilaterally stopped using them. They have been deemed of questionable effectiveness in modern combat and the use of flame weapons is always a public relations issue due to the horrific death they inflict. They are not banned in any international treaty the U.S. has signed, thus the U.S. decision to remove flamethrowers from its arsenal is entirely voluntary.

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Napalm is a thickening/gelling agent generally mixed with petroleum or a similar fuel for use in an incendiary device, primarily as an anti-personnel weapon. "Napalm" is a combination of the names of two of the constituents of the gel: naphthenic acid and palmitic acid.

The US Air Force and US Navy used napalm with great effect against all kinds of targets to include troops, tanks, buildings, jungles, and even railroad tunnels. The effect was not always purely physical as napalm had psychological effects on the enemy as well. During World War II, the U.S. Marines quickly learned that the Japanese soldiers, when threatened with napalm and other incendiary weapons, would abandon positions in which they would fight to the death against other weapons. During the Korean War, the demoralizing effect napalm had on the enemy became apparent when scores of North Korean and Chinese troops began to surrender to aircraft flying overhead. Pilots noted that they saw surviving enemy troops waving white flags on subsequent passes after dropping napalm. The pilots radioed to ground troops and the enemy combatants were captured. Interviews with enemy prisoners of war determined that napalm was the most feared weapon used against them.

More recent uses include: by France during the First Indochina War (1946--1954), the Algerian War (1954--1962), the Portuguese Colonial War (1961--1974) and the Western Sahara War (1975--1991),The Six days war by Israel (1967), in Nigeria (1969), India and Pakistan (1965 and 1971), Turkey during the invasion of Cyprus (1974), by Morocco during the Western Sahara War (1975--1991), Iran (1980--88), Brazil (1972), Egypt (1973), Iraq (1980--88, 1991, 2003--2011), Angola (1993), Yugoslavia (1991-1996), and by Argentina (1982). "Napalm is the most terrible pain you can imagine," said Kim Phc, a napalm bombing survivor known from a famous Vietnam War photograph. "Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius (212F). Napalm generates temperatures of 800 (1,500F) to 1,200 degrees Celsius (2,200F)."

A US army source, talking about napalm, reported: 'We sure are pleased with those backroom boys at Dow. The original product wasn't so hot - if the gooks were quick they could scrape it off. So the boys started adding polystyrene - now it sticks like **** to a blanket. But if the gooks jumped under water it stopped burning, so they started adding Willie Peter (white phosphorus) so's to make it burn better. And just one drop is enough, it'll keep on burning right down to the bone so they die anyway from phosphorus poisoning.'

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Dangerous things. I remember one WW2 vet tell us about his experience. I think it was either him, or someone else in his squad/platoon, who accidentally burned one of their own guys because the mouthpiece was damaged and the flame went to wrong direction. Or maybe someone blew up using them...anyways, very dangerous guns to those on the receiving end.
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Flamethrowers have not been in the U.S. arsenal since 1978, when the Department of Defense unilaterally stopped using them. They have been deemed of questionable effectiveness in modern combat and the use of flame weapons is always a public relations issue due to the horrific death they inflict. They are not banned in any international treaty the U.S. has signed, thus the U.S. decision to remove flamethrowers from its arsenal is entirely voluntary.
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Flamethrowers have not been in the U.S. arsenal since 1978, when the Department of Defense unilaterally stopped using them. They have been deemed of questionable effectiveness in modern combat and the use of flame weapons is always a public relations issue due to the horrific death they inflict. They are not banned in any international treaty the U.S. has signed, thus the U.S. decision to remove flamethrowers from its arsenal is entirely voluntary.
That doesn't really answer my question.

Can I own a flamethrower for my personal use?
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As I recall, we had two flamethrowers in the A-502 arms room, both of German manufacture/ The Engineers occasionally used them to burn off brush near some of our outposts.

I don't see much difference in using flamethrowers, napalm, or fugasse type mines. They all crispy-critter those caught in their fire.
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That doesn't really answer my question.

Can I own a flamethrower for my personal use?
If you live in a remote jungle where there is no civilization laws and lawyers, I think that maybe you can use it for your self defense
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All I can say is that I am sure happy I NEVER had to wear one of those things on my back. Kudos to those that did though!
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That doesn't really answer my question.

Can I own a flamethrower for my personal use?
That would depend on the Country you live in.

If you live in the UK - a flamethrower is prohibited for personal use.

If you live in the US - possession of a flamethrower is governed by State law, which may or may not prohibit possession. Federally there is no prohibition against possession of a flamethrower under the National Firearms Act.
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having a flamethrower at home to defend themselves from the neighbors is something not very healthy people mentally
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Never saw a flamethrower used in my battalion, 1/46th Americal. I guess that's because we were light infantry.
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Interesting video. Nowhere is it mentioned that the napalm in question was dropped by a Vietnamese Air Force aircraft, responding to a call for close air support from a Vietnamese Infantry unit in contact with the VC or NVA ( I suspect NVA, but after 1968 many VC main force units were manned with NVA fillers) who had dug their defensive positions within her village.

Commanders in combat, on either side, tended to do whatever was necessary to save their men and defeat the enemy.
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