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Gun violence: Canada vs US

Population: Canada: 35.002 million (2012)
US : 315.265 million (2013)

Avg gun-related deaths/year: Canada: 1385
US : 30 470 (2010)

Avg gun-related homicide/year: Canada: 183
US : 11 078 (2010)

% of homicides involving guns: Canada: 32%
US : 66.9% (2010)


Going by population (multiplication factor of 9)

US should have: 12 465 gun-related deaths/year vice 30 470
1647 gun-related homicides/year vice 11 078


The gun culture in the US is costing a surplus of 18 000 gun-related deaths/yr and a surplus of 9431 gun-related homicides/yr

By the way, there have been 1545 gun-related deaths in the US since Sandy Hook, more than the average number of gun deaths for an entire year in Canada.


http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/r..._deces-eng.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vio..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population
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Population: Canada: 35.002 million (2012)
US : 315.265 million (2013)

Avg gun-related deaths/year: Canada: 1385
US : 30 470 (2010)

Avg gun-related homicide/year: Canada: 183
US : 11 078 (2010)

% of homicides involving guns: Canada: 32%
US : 66.9% (2010)


Going by population (multiplication factor of 9)

US should have: 12 465 gun-related deaths/year vice 30 470
1647 gun-related homicides/year vice 11 078


The gun culture in the US is costing a surplus of 18 000 gun-related deaths/yr and a surplus of 9431 gun-related homicides/yr

By the way, there have been 1545 gun-related deaths in the US since Sandy Hook, more than the average number of gun deaths for an entire year in Canada.


http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/r..._deces-eng.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vio..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population
Typical anti-gun nutt math....

So now you a justifying the deaths of Canadians that were killed by guns.....

So if there wasn't this 'tigersqn surplus math' and both countries had an equal percentage....you would be okay with that.

Are Canadian lives that useless to you?

Don't you have any value for the Canadian Citizens that have been murdered?
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I didn't read in there that TS was justifying gun related deaths in either country.
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Typical anti-gun nutt math....

So now you a justifying the deaths of Canadians that were killed by guns.....

So if there wasn't this 'tigersqn surplus math' and both countries had an equal percentage....you would be okay with that.

Are Canadian lives that useless to you?

Don't you have any value for the Canadian Citizens that have been murdered?

Justifying deaths ?? Where the hell do you get that from ???

The post is a comparison highlighting the human cost of the gun culture in the US.
Ideally, there would be no gun-related deaths in either Canada or the US.

The math is very simple. Maybe you could even do it.

Judging by your response, I would suggest that YOU have no value for the gun-related deaths in either country.
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Justifying deaths ?? Where the hell do you get that from ???

The post is a comparison highlighting the human cost of the gun culture in the US.
Ideally, there would be no gun-related deaths in either Canada or the US.

The math is very simple. Maybe you could even do it.

Judging by your response, I would suggest that YOU have no value for the gun-related deaths in either country.
From your OP:

"surplus of 18 000 gun-related deaths/yr and a surplus of 9431 gun-related homicides/yr"

How do you define "surplus"?

Surplus 1 a: the amount that remains when use or need is satisfied
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I didn't read in there that TS was justifying gun related deaths in either country.
It's his use of "surplus" like as though there is a need that was satisfied and additional deaths are "surplus".
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Gee, another thread calling Americans bloody-minded fools for not having the same gun laws as some foreign country.

Jingoism by any other name....
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From your OP:

"surplus of 18 000 gun-related deaths/yr and a surplus of 9431 gun-related homicides/yr"

How do you define "surplus"?

Surplus 1 a: the amount that remains when use or need is satisfied

If you want to split hairs over a single word, feel free.
Most normal people on these forums will know what I mean.

Would you rather I use the synonym "overkill" ?
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Does this mean that if I see crimes being committed against Canadians when they're down here shopping, I should not intervene, especially with my firearm (or other weaponry)?
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Does this mean that if I see crimes being committed against Canadians when they're down here shopping, I should not intervene, especially with my firearm (or other weaponry)?
Only if they are loud-mouth know it alls like... well, you know who.
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Does this mean that if I see crimes being committed against Canadians when they're down here shopping, I should not intervene, especially with my firearm (or other weaponry)?
If you are a responsible gun owner or a person that values human life you should intervene.

If you are an anti-gun nutt and the acceptable level of Canadian deaths has not been reached yet you probably shouldn't intervene.

If you are an anti-gun nutt and there is already a surplus for that time period...you should intervene by telling the bad guy that there is already a surplus of deaths and he should wait until the numbers are reset.
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If you want to split hairs over a single word, feel free.
Most normal people on these forums will know what I mean.

Would you rather I use the synonym "overkill" ?
I would rather you showed some respect for the dead.

You claimed that the math was simple, the english is easier than the math.

"Surplus"
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I didn't expect any of the gun fanatics to be pleased about the numbers presented, considering that they show exactly what kind of damage the gun culture in the US is doing.

You can try to divert this discussion into an argument over grammar if you like, but the fact remains; the gun culture in the US is killing people.

The numbers don't lie.
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The US also has a higher population density than Canada, more individual metropolitan areas (allowing criminals to cross jurisdictions and enter new territory where they're not being hunted by the cops), and a border with a country that is practically shipping its criminals North as hard as they can go (and they're not just in the border regions, Mexican drug traffickers are a pandemic in the US).

There are more factors at play than a 'gun culture'.
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I didn't expect any of the gun fanatics to be pleased about the numbers presented, considering that they show exactly what kind of damage the gun culture in the US is doing.
I seriously doubt that any gun owner would be pleased with any deaths.

It is telling how the anti-gun nutts love and rejoice in people being killed.

I guess to the anti-gun nutts...it's all "surplus"......they do seem to have a surplus of panties that get knotted up everytime they post about guns.
 

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