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MOSCOW, December 31 (RIA Novosti) – The punishment for those who organize illegal immigration into Russia just got tougher under new amendments to the Criminal Code signed by President Vladimir Putin.


Those responsible for organizing the illegal entry of non-citizens into Russia, their stay in the country or their transit through it now face up to five years in prison, up from two previously, according to the document, which has been published on Russia’s official legal information website.
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Russian test for migrants ‘not discriminatory’ – Medvedev

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev sees no discrimination in a law obliging all migrant workers arriving in Russia to pass a test of their knowledge of the local language and culture.

“It’s absolutely normal. Such a practice exists in the majority of foreign countries. At least in countries that care about their future,” Medvedev stated on Tuesday, during a meeting with the members of parliamentary parties.

Currently, migrants working in Russia in housing, utilities, sales and public services have to demonstrate only basic knowledge of Russian when getting work permits. This does not refer to citizens of Belarus and South Ossetia – where Russian has the status of official language.

Now the lawmakers propose toughening the rules. Under the proposed bill, exams in Russian language, history and legislation basics will become compulsory for all foreigners who come to the country to work or live.
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Migrants to Undergo Drug Tests - Russia's Chief Narcologist

MOSCOW, January 22 (RIA Novosti) - Migrant workers will have to undergo drug tests when applying for jobs in Moscow, the chief narcologist of the Russian Health Ministry said Tuesday.

“The order has been signed,” Yevgeny Bryun said. “I think we will start working from next week.”

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MOSCOW — Russia urgently needs to attract immigrants over the coming years to avoid labor shortages, the country’s top migration officer said Monday.

“Even if we manage to stabilize or increase the population by raising the birth rate, the only source for increasing the labor force for the coming 15 to 20 years will be migration,” Federal Migration Service head Konstantin Romodanovsky told Interfax in an interview.

Romodanovsky said that the Kremlin had ordered him to keep migration stable at about 300,000 people per year and that this number should include ethnic Russians from abroad, highly qualified foreign specialists and promising youths.

The figure of 300,000 immigrants was formulated by Vladimir Putin in a programmatic newspaper article in his presidential campaign one year ago. Critics have voiced serious doubts about its feasibility, arguing that the government’s past attempts to lure Russian speakers and qualified migrants to the country have seen little success.
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Russian test for migrants ‘not discriminatory’ – Medvedev

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev sees no discrimination in a law obliging all migrant workers arriving in Russia to pass a test of their knowledge of the local language and culture.

“It’s absolutely normal. Such a practice exists in the majority of foreign countries. At least in countries that care about their future,” Medvedev stated on Tuesday, during a meeting with the members of parliamentary parties.

Currently, migrants working in Russia in housing, utilities, sales and public services have to demonstrate only basic knowledge of Russian when getting work permits. This does not refer to citizens of Belarus and South Ossetia – where Russian has the status of official language.

Now the lawmakers propose toughening the rules. Under the proposed bill, exams in Russian language, history and legislation basics will become compulsory for all foreigners who come to the country to work or live.]
That seems like a really stupid idea. I understand the idea if you immigrate to live in there, but work. No way this will have any positive effects.
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Passing language tests to get a work visa is a pretty normal thing. As for legislation tests they would better pay attention to legal protection of migrants. It's not a secret that they are massively abused by employers or police.
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Passing language tests to get a work visa is a pretty normal thing.
Is it? Maybe my view is biased because of EU, but I would never move to work in a country if it meant that I had to speak the language. Not even learn but already speak it.

This of course works in case of uneducated and poor migrants as there are plenty and you can pick and choose. However, when it comes to skilled and professional workers this will become a major obstacle.
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For example, UK visa requirements:
http://www.ets.org/toeic/ukba
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For example, UK visa requirements:
http://www.ets.org/toeic/ukba
I think we are discussing illegal immigrants,by their very nature they are unlikely to have to sit a language test.
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I think we are discussing illegal immigrants,by their very nature they are unlikely to have to sit a language test.
We're discussing the following article:
http://rt.com/politics/migrant-worke...ge-rights-495/
I don't see anything relating to test for illegal migrants there.
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For example, UK visa requirements:
http://www.ets.org/toeic/ukba
Does not compare directly since English is pretty much the universal language right now, and therefore there is a VERY large pool of skilled individuals who speak English. How many of them speak Russian?
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Just out of curiosity sake, what are the requirements for someone to legally immigrate to Russia?
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Does not compare directly since English is pretty much the universal language right now, and therefore there is a VERY large pool of skilled individuals who speak English. How many of them speak Russian?
I don't understand the question, frankly. My point is that language tests for foreign workers is not something exceptional. Most foreign labor in Russia are from the former SU, what language is more spoken there - Russian or English you can easily guess.
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Just out of curiosity sake, what are the requirements for someone to legally immigrate to Russia?
Visa - residence permit - work permit.
Entrance for the most part of the former Soviet Union is visa-free:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Russia
Citizens of Belarus don't need a residence and work permit.
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I don't understand the question, frankly. My point is that language tests for foreign workers is not something exceptional. Most foreign labor in Russia are from the former SU, what language is more spoken there - Russian or English you can easily guess.
The issue is that with the language requirement Russia is closing the door on skilled labour. The same is not true for English speaking countries, since most of those people speak english anyways.
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