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US Marines to face random blood-alcohol tests

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Marines and sailors will be subject to random blood-alcohol tests twice a year in what is billed as the toughest anti-drinking policy in the U.S. military.
Starting Jan. 1, any Marine or sailor with a blood-alcohol level of 0.01 percent or higher may be referred for counseling. Anyone who tests at 0.04 percent or higher will be referred to medical personnel to determine fitness for duty.
http://www.charter.net/news/read.php...org%3E&ps=1018

Given that it takes a BAL of 0.08% before you are consider legally drunk while driving and drinking one beer will easily exceed the 0.01% threshold, it looks like the service will be implementing a zero drinking policy.

This is sure to wreak a lot of careers of the lifers that party on the weekends, sailors that often trash a port of call on liberty, and the command staff that often share the hard stuff with fellow officers.
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That is utter tosh with a side order of piffle. It's a matelots right and duty to trash the town on a run ashore. Find which ever Methodist came up with this pointless joyless attack on the naval traditions and bowler hat the sob.
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When will these tests be administered? In the middle of the workday? On Monday Morning? Or on Sunday Afternoon?

I fondly remember those PT runs after a weekend of libo....or especially right before a 96. Half the platoon would smell like a brewery.....the other half like a distillery. Yes we were hung over like none other, or probably still drunk. But we still got everything done before we left, and we still left on time.

Instituting this policy is doing nothing but ensuring that Marines will Binge Drink right after they get tested, because they'll be frightened to drink like normal otherwise.
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SAN DIEGO (AP) — Marines and sailors will be subject to random blood-alcohol tests twice a year in what is billed as the toughest anti-drinking policy in the U.S. military.
Starting Jan. 1, any Marine or sailor with a blood-alcohol level of 0.01 percent or higher may be referred for counseling. Anyone who tests at 0.04 percent or higher will be referred to medical personnel to determine fitness for duty.
http://www.charter.net/news/read.php...org%3E&ps=1018

Given that it takes a BAL of 0.08% before you are consider legally drunk while driving and drinking one beer will easily exceed the 0.01% threshold, it looks like the service will be implementing a zero drinking policy.

This is sure to wreak a lot of careers of the lifers that party on the weekends, sailors that often trash a port of call on liberty, and the command staff that often share the hard stuff with fellow officers.
Again, I am glad that I am retired.
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And another nail in the monkification of our armed forces is hammered in. It's bad enough I had to get a drug test after every 4 day or block leave. Like Tac, I'm curious when these will be administered.
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Reminds me of the payday **** tests for drugs we had back in the 1970s. Those were usually run during a cash payday (remember being paid cash?). Usually we got checks back then, but a portion of the paydays came as cash. Why I cant remember at all. Anyway as many as possible of the Marines in the pay line were diverted into the head to fill a bottle. There were always a couple of guys avoiding the pay line entirely in the hope they could think of some legit excuse to pick up their pay later after the medics packed up their cases of urine and disappeared.

I suspect this random alcohol testing will indicate there is small but noticable number of Marines who are drinking on duty, or who throughly pickle themselves nightly, vs the binge drinkers. Through my active service years in the 1970s & 1980s I identified more than a few junior & senior enlisted Marines who were outright alcoholics & went through the day with a buzz on or the residue from the previous nights intake.
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I'm sure there are a handful running around with a constant buzz. However the occasional hammered PT is nigh traditional. I don't remember doing a company or battalion PT run before a big libo (christmas etc.) without a large portion being hammered or hung over.
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Looks like MADD moms and the PC Police now control the US Navy and the Marines in California......
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This may have something to do with a long running dialoge within the USMC during the past decade about PSTD casualties self medicating with alcohol & other drugs. This has been discussed as a problem among combat veterans post Vietnam, Korea, WWII, and earlier.

Back in the 1970s drug use in the US military was dealt with by a combination of testing, rehabilitation programs and punishments. Its possible the alcohol tests and refrences to counseling ect... are much the same as the programs of earlier times.
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This may have something to do with a long running dialoge within the USMC during the past decade about PSTD casualties self medicating with alcohol & other drugs. This has been discussed as a problem among combat veterans post Vietnam, Korea, WWII, and earlier.

Back in the 1970s drug use in the US military was dealt with by a combination of testing, rehabilitation programs and punishments. Its possible the alcohol tests and refrences to counseling ect... are much the same as the programs of earlier times.
There is no doubt that those with PSTD issues will self medicate with drugs and alcohols. But those are few when one considers the parties and drunkenness that is common on the weekends or during Liberty that often have no connection to any later events experienced during their tour on duty.

The company I served with was famous for tying one on during the weekends. For one thing, we were mostly draftees and took advantage of the law allowing 18 year olds to consume beer. Most of the NCOS were lifers with service as far back as WW2. Many were alcoholics who had not advanced much beyond their pay grades as a result of being busted for fights and other crimes while intoxicated off base. One didn't go to Vietnam when he broke his arm as a result of a bar fight the weekend before.

Smoking was also highly encouraged.

A lot has changed since the 60s thanks to health concerns and the constant needs by Progressives to micromanage one's lives. So, it is no surprise that not only the mandate has come down about being drunk on the job, but the bar has been set so ridiculously high that even the use of aftershave lotion in the morning could cause a violation of the no drinking rule.
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you know, if you had a CDL you are prohibited from driving if you are .04 or higher.

our bodies process about one ounce of alcohol per hour.. average guy had a 6 pack the night before,he is good to go the next morning..

airline pilots have similar regulations..

so it appears that civilian rules on alcohol and working are being applied to the military... so if a Marine is on duty and their BAC is higher than point 01 , they are being considered a potential drunk. .04 they are considered drunk.

its actually a pretty high threshold unless these people are partying until duty time .

since they only will get tested twice a year, odds of getting popped positive for alcohol are pretty low.
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I agree that biannual tests are not going to add to the load much. If it is anything like 1985 there are already a steady stream of alcohol related events landing on the company & battalion commanders desks from the Sgt Maj. Weekly. About the same as as running the dogs though the barracks once or twice a year. Those turned up a counseling appointment or legal action about once a year.

... cept when A captain ran the the dogs twice in one month ...got deep second time round
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Yeah, mid-late `80s. We caught most of our 15%-ers in random sweeps. The guys with the real problems could never stay clean enough to avoid getting caught by the surprise screenings. After that, the problems dropped off to a steady but tolerably low trickle.
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So basically they are asking 18 to 25 year olds to not behave like 18 to 25 year olds.

Once again rules made for the ten percent are going to screw the other 90 percent.
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So basically they are asking 18 to 25 year olds to not behave like 18 to 25 year olds.

Once again rules made for the ten percent are going to screw the other 90 percent.
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