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Where did you see arguments ?
So far, he produced just street rally level slogans.
ok you got me good point.
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Where did you see arguments ?
So far, he produced just street rally level slogans.
Actually,I'm very pro American
My vision is a return to the United States that was the 'moral, trusted force' inthe middle east.
Not the pawn of ANY foreign power.

In 1942, the Iranian government agreed to not oppose the channelling of lend lease through Iran, provided the United States ran the operation. In 1958, American marines were welcomed in Lebanon by the 'Arab Street'.

So what changed, Dixie?
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In 1942, the Iranian government agreed to not oppose the channelling of lend lease through Iran, provided the United States ran the operation.
Actually it is another sample of your ignorance, or deliberate spin.
In 1941 Iran was occupied by British and Soviet armies
and since then, until the end of the war nobody gave a sh*t about
what Iranian government agreed, or disagreed.
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Egypt receives billions of dollars in aid from the United States. If and I say if Egypt gets involved in this conflict overtly or it can be proven that they are supporting Hamas covertly and Obama says that he "has Israels back" then this aid would be stopped. That is if and I say if Obama does support Israel to the point of cutting off aid to any country that overtly or covertly supports Hamas, then I suspect Egypt or any other country would have second thoughts of doing so. Let us hope that this situation does not develop into a ground incursion into Gaza by Israel. However, that is all going to depend on what Hamas does or doesn't do.
IF Obama says he "has Israel's back". I doubt that he will do that. In fact, it's not out of the realm of possiblity that he sides AGAINST Israel. He's not known for making the right decision, and he has shown his stance to oppose Israel.

Just to be clear, to all of the Israeli posters here at this site: If Obama sides against Israel, please understand that it's only Obama doing so, and not the rest of the country. Well, at least not the sane ones in this country.
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I would assume that Hamas is going on the preconceived notion that the majority of the countries (minus the US previously) would blame Israel and they are free to do what they want. There seems to be a struggle between Palestinian National Authority, Hamas, and various other factions on who governs/influence in the Gaza Strip. I suspect that this is Hamas's plan to show who has the most influence. If, and this is a big if, Israel was planning to attack Iranian nuclear sites, a ground excursion into Gaza, destroying Hamas's capabilities to retaliate against Israel might seem to be a militarily sound objective. I like conspiracy theory's, they leave a lot open for discussion.
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I would assume that Hamas is going on the preconceived notion that the majority of the countries (minus the US previously) would blame Israel and they are free to do what they want. There seems to be a struggle between Palestinian National Authority, Hamas, and various other factions on who governs/influence in the Gaza Strip. I suspect that this is Hamas's plan to show who has the most influence. If, and this is a big if, Israel was planning to attack Iranian nuclear sites, a ground excursion into Gaza, destroying Hamas's capabilities to retaliate against Israel might seem to be a militarily sound objective. I like conspiracy theory's, they leave a lot open for discussion.
IMO all Israel has to do is to cut Gaza on 3 parts in not
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It will cut HAMAS in Gaza City from missiles and supply from Egypt.
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IMO all Israel has to do is to cut Gaza on 3 parts in not
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It will cut HAMAS in Gaza City from missiles and supply from Egypt.
And if you think Israel has Public Image problems today, under this plan they'd be shunned and outcast.

Remember they can easily fight the Palestinians alone, but not the world.

They don't want to give an excuse for the EU and America to cut off support.
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IMO, this war will go the same way as all the others. Israel will either back down with a cease fire or march in Gaza, go into a shooting war with Hamas, then withdraw with a cease fire. The status quo remains the same, Hamas will keep shooting rockets until three or four years from now the same scenario repeats itself. The Israeli's don't want an occupation, Hamas doesn't want peace. What scenario can there be without either side destroying the other? Hamas can't and Israel won't.
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And if you think Israel has Public Image problems today, under this plan they'd be shunned and outcast.

Remember they can easily fight the Palestinians alone, but not the world.

They don't want to give an excuse for the EU and America to cut of support.
According to many Western media sources Israel
is still occupying entire Palestine.
If Israel is still occupying entire Palestine,
how she can over occupy it again ?

( according to
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Hamas doesn't want peace(apparently). Israel doesn't want to commit butchery .Funny that a state who's de facto motto is 'Never Again', doesn't want to be responsible for genocide.

Stalemate or a perfect recipe for continued misery on both parts.

The only thing Israel can lose is the PR war on the world stage.

Hamas and whatever other Islamist factions, fractions & s just keep getting a lot of Gazan's killed, hoping to score their own Tet Offensive style anti-victory* and foment further troubles.

*disproportionate losses on the Hamas side will be played up. Making Israel out to be the bully.
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I believe the real proxy war will come from Lebanon and Hezballah. Iran provides more support to them and they could use an Israeli urban assault into Gaza City as an opportunity to attack from the north. Then we'll see their true capabilities. It would also pressure the UN peacekeepers on the border to act which may escalate the whole conflict to another level.
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I believe the real proxy war will come from Lebanon and Hezballah. Iran provides more support to them and they could use an Israeli urban assault into Gaza City as an opportunity to attack from the north. Then we'll see their true capabilities. It would also pressure the UN peacekeepers on the border to act which may escalate the whole conflict to another level.
I've also been wondering what the Hezbollah response to this will be, considering that they are said to have thousands of Iranian-built rockets pointed at Israel.

Here's the latest statement from the head of Hezbollah:

Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah warned Israel against any attempt to launch a ground assault against Hamas in the Gaza Strip calling such a move a stupid mistake and a miscalculated step. In a speech on Saturday on the occasion marking the commemoration of the death of Imam Houssein , Nasrallah said: “The Israelis will commit a stupid mistake if they decide to launch a ground operation against Gaza.” He stressed that Hamas today is not the Hamas of 2008… they are stronger , more determined, more organized and possess better planning capabilities. He added “as you have seen the resistance has until now been capable of firing rockets on Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and other cities and the Israeli enemy is disturbed, anxious and in retreat.”


Read more at: http://www.yalibnan.com/2012/11/18/h...f-gaza-stupid/
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Shabbat shalom from the Gaza border


Israeli soldiers Friday eve davening.

Shabbat shalom to the IDF.
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General Sam would like to remind all the true Texas ol'boys why he rallied the Boys at Buffalo Bayou in'36, rather than roll over & surrender to Lopez De Santa anna...or get pushed into the sea..

Mirabeau Lamar says he approved of Operation Cast lead, but we all know how he wrecked the Lone Star Republic..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War

My sincere apologies if I mistook any of my fellow Americans for something foriegn.

C'on Texans, if you were in Gaza, you'ld fight it out with Bowie knives if you had to
Texas signed peace treaties with Mexico in 1836 and again a decade later. It rejoined the US after the Civil War along with the rest of th Confederacy and has manged to remain a part of our contentious Union for 150 years. Nobody in Dallas or Lubbock are firing rockets inton Washington or New York City.

The Palestinians neeed to demonstrate that they are willing to try and behave like a country.
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