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Syrian Civil War, 2011 - ? From a local uprising to a proxy war, we discuss the chaos in Syria.

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No, Russia supports the Syrians and wants the continued use of the Syrian port that they frequent.

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they shoot at gangs hired by the west to bring syria to the state of lybia and egypt and iraq.
Whoa, dude, stop it, or I'll stop believing your posts are a joke!
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The Iranians support the Syrians because of Hezbollah and because they are enemies of Israel.
Also because Alawites are an offshoot of Shia Islam and them losing power would tip yet another nation into the 'Sunni' camp. iran has few enough friends as it is.

There isn't going to be a US-led army charging into Syria. The price in blood & treasure of war & especially occupation would vastly exceed anything any US government is going to see as a worthwhile outcome anythime soon. The very most that might happen is something like Libya, but that would require an armed opposition capable of unseating Assad at a minumum (and probably a bunch of other stuff happening as well). Perhaps some sort of 'safe haven', but that seems unlikely unless Turkey is essentially prepared to go to war with Syria. Again. Can't see the US doing much more than air support, logistics & intel.

This thing is just going to drag on until either Assad manages to re-gain control or a 'tipping point' is reached when the support he currently has erodes enough to sink him. This is a regional problem. They can work it out.
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Fukushima, never heard who designed it ?

Another interesting thing is that those who want an intervention of Syria say nothing when it comes to the riots in Bahrain or the abuse of human rights in Saudi Arabia. Maybe because of ties they have with USA ?
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The base for the 5th fleet had something to do with it too.
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Armchair Strategists on Syria Need History Lesson...

A interesting read...

Arnaud de Borchgrave's Perspective:After almost 15,000 killed in Syria's civil war, now in its second year, there is no clear end game.

One side of the political spectrum is urging U.S. President Barack Obama to go into Syria and do something. What he should do isn't quite clear.
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Syria is expelling Western diplomats, foreign ministry says...

DAMASCUS Syria barred a string of U.S. and European diplomats Tuesday, saying they were "no longer welcome" as the country plunged into its most profound international isolation in decades.
Last week, Western nations expelled Syrian diplomats in a coordinated move over the Houla massacre, in which more than 100 people were slaughtered over one weekend in a cluster of small villages.
The U.N. says pro-regime gunmen were believed to be responsible for at least some of the killings. President Bashar Assad has insisted his forces had nothing to do with the massacre.
The countries targeted by the expulsion order have already pulled their ambassadors from Damascus, but the move was symbolic of how far diplomatic ties have disintegrated over the course of the uprising that began last year in March.
"Some countries have informed our diplomatic missions and our embassies' staff that they are unwelcome," Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdessi said in a statement.
He said Damascus has decided to take a "reciprocal measure" against ambassadors from the U.S., Britain, Turkey, Switzerland, France, Italy and Spain. A number of French, German, Canadian, Bulgarian and Belgian diplomats also are affected, Makdessi said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06...#ixzz1wvSPARdz

What a group of morons...
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First instinct: Democratic Peace Theory (Fukuyama).

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New 'massacre' reported in Syria's Hama province.

As many as 100 people, including many women and children, have been killed by Syrian pro-government forces in Hama province, opposition activists say.
A spokesman for the Syrian National Council, the main opposition coalition, said there had been a "massacre" in the villages of al-Qubair and Maarzaf.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18348201


Say Golani, why hasn't Israel intervened? It seems to me that if you aided the rebels they would be more tolerant towards your country...


I should put the flying pig up, but I'm serious about this...
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Gent's back to the subject of this thread.

Syria...


The Syrian army has killed at least 17 people, including women, during fighting in the southern restive town of Deraa, activists say.
They say the shelling began late on Friday and continued overnight.
There have been frequent clashes between troops and rebels in Deraa, where the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad began last year.
Meanwhile UN monitors continue their investigation into an alleged massacre at Qubair, after visiting the site.
People in the area told the UN team that everyone in the village near Hama "had died except for a few", UN spokeswoman Sausan Ghosheh told the BBC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18377756
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Syria...


Amen to that.

Assad is slowly losing his grip. Massacring civilians & shooting at UN observers is a sign of weakness, not strength. There is a suspicion that his people are trying to provoke a violent backlash & therefore erode support for the uprising. Apparently after the Houla massacre there were widespread shop closures in Damascus - a merchant's 'strike'. By all accounts Assad has lost or is losing the support of the money men & businessmen in Damascus. Hard to see this ending well.
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Amen to that.

Assad is slowly losing his grip. Massacring civilians & shooting at UN observers is a sign of weakness, not strength. There is a suspicion that his people are trying to provoke a violent backlash & therefore erode support for the uprising. Apparently after the Houla massacre there were widespread shop closures in Damascus - a merchant's 'strike'. By all accounts Assad has lost or is losing the support of the money men & businessmen in Damascus. Hard to see this ending well.
The rebels are already fighting in the streets of the capital. So far I haven't heard of any condemnation of such attacks yet. In the interest of fairness, should we expect one?

A question in general: what should the reasonable response be to attackers who ambush your forces and withdraw into their village/town/district to hide? If one had enough forces it would be relatively easy to answer, but what if (as is usually the case) your forces can't be everywhere they're needed at once?
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Sigh, the problem is the government...

It's the same everywhere.

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