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View Poll Results: Whose nuclear and missile/space programs are more of a threat to the US?
Iran 16 29.63%
North Korea 13 24.07%
Same Risk 6 11.11%
Depends on time frame being considered 10 18.52%
Don't know 2 3.70%
Don't care 7 12.96%
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Old 11 Apr 12, 17:54
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Iran & North Korea: Whose Nuclear & Missile Programs are more dangerous to the US?

Iran and North Korea - Whose nuclear and space/missile programs pose more of a threat to the US?

I include all factors in the question - the weapons themselves, the political situation in each country, the reactions of potential adversaries and allies, the populations and natural resources and industrial capabilities of the countries etc.

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Old 11 Apr 12, 19:16
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Hard one. I think they are equal threats but i think North Korea is most likely to be a lot worse as with the Taepodong-2 could reach Alaska and we are not even sure if Iran definitely has the weapons we are fearful of.
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I go with North Korea, as I believe Iran believes time is on their side - they are far along, they have a large population and industrial base, and there already is "an Islamic bomb" in Pakistan. Also, I think their populations (both the military-industrial elites and the average person) are more sophisticated/less brainwashed than the North Koreans.

I feel that the North Koreans do not feel that time is on their side. I also feel that with their Stalinist worldview the elites lack the basic rationality which I think the Iranians possess (I hope). And it's been almost 60 years since actual War - whereas in Iran the population is only a generation away from horrible losses during the Iran-Iraq War.

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Hard one. I think they are equal threats but i think North Korea is most likely to be a lot worse as with the Taepodong-2 could reach Alaska and we are not even sure if Iran definitely has the weapons we are fearful of.
Yes a hard and interesting one. I'll wait for more input before voting.

I think it depends on how Iran and North Korea themselves view their external threats comparatively. Right now, Iran is under much more pressure than North Korea and so could be much more likely to do something drastic.

(Although I can never resist pointing out that the Taepodongs of the North Koreans are far larger and can penetrate much further than the dongs of any of their neighbors. Also I am unclear as to whether North Korean dongs are larger than Iranian dongs.)

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It has been suggested that the Iranians and North Koreas are sharing know-how on such matters.

What concerned people hereabouts was that in one televised report of the preparations for the up-coming launch a large map was seen in the background with Australia right dead-center.

It has also been mentioned that the latest Dong has the (theoretical) ability to hit Darwin.
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North Korea is surrounded by stable countries all looking to 'attempt' to keep them in line.

Iran is surrounded by unstable countries and is quite prone to be involved in a war.

So Iran is the bigger threat to look at, especially when considering our Israeli Ally.

However the poll directly states The United States. North Korea only has Japan and any naval intercept between itself and US coast. Iran is on the other side of the globe however it can attack ships in the gulf likely a Super Carrier.

therefore i voted Depends,
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It has been suggested that the Iranians and North Koreas are sharing know-how on such matters.

What concerned people hereabouts was that in one televised report of the preparations for the up-coming launch a large map was seen in the background with Australia right dead-center.

It has also been mentioned that the latest Dong has the (theoretical) ability to hit Darwin.
I'm sure that Darwin is high on their target list.
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North Korea's is the more dangerous of the two.
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North Korea actually has a nuke. They have long range missiles. They've also actually attacked and killed military personnel of US allies recently.

Iran doesn't have a nuke, and according to Israel/US/EU intelligence agencies they're not trying to build a nuke either.

Iran also doesn't have any real long range missile tech and they get their missiles from N. Korea.

Guess which country we're threatening to bomb and invade, and which country we're paying off with bribes?
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I'm sure that Darwin is high on their target list.
Given their accuracy, Darwin doesn't have to be on their target list to get hit. (OK, they're not that bad, we hope.)

Iran is the clearer threat. I can't agree with Intranetusa that Iran is not trying to build a nuke, but I do agree that their missile program is not aimed at us, nor likely to be so soon. Iran's threat to the region has the potential of effecting U.S. interests, and that could bring U.S. troops to within range of their missiles.

North Korea should be left to the South Koreans to handle. It would save us money, and free up troops for elsewhere. Our purpose for staying there evaporated years ago, but we seem to have a hard time simply declaring victory, or end of mission, and getting out.
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I'm sure that Darwin is high on their target list.
No, not really, but it feeds local paranoia.
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Given their accuracy, Darwin doesn't have to be on their target list to get hit. (OK, they're not that bad, we hope.)
Iran is the clearer threat. I can't agree with Intranetusa that Iran is not trying to build a nuke, but I do agree that their missile program is not aimed at us, nor likely to be so soon. Iran's threat to the region has the potential of effecting U.S. interests, and that could bring U.S. troops to within range of their missiles....
You're not disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with the US and Israeli intelligence agencies. They're the ones saying Iran is not trying to build a nuke.

http://news.yahoo.com/special-report...-imminent.html

The United States, European allies and even Israel generally agree on three things about Iran's nuclear program: Tehran does not have a bomb, has not decided to build one, and is probably years away from having a deliverable nuclear warhead.
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I think the failure of the launch lessens the risk overall, and especially in the long term. However, I think it makes things more dangerous in the short term, as the regime has "lost face". If the nuclear test fizzles, they will lose even more face. It wouldn't surprise me if they then do something on an island, or on the DMZ, or something else crazy.

They must know the clock is ticking on their regime.

Edit: I would assume that people will have to be blamed for the failure - people will be blamed, guilty or not. Also, some people might be desperate enough to plot escapes - although I doubt that, given that they must assume their family and associates left behind would be punished if they tried to leave somehow. In any case I'm sure the internal security/secret police are right now even busier than usual.

I once again would like to think the good proles in Peiping/Peking/Beijing will get off their xxxxx and try to put pressure on the regime and/or deal with some of the players to put in a modified regime. I'm not holding my breath though waiting for this.

This might be a good time for the US to start broadcasting burst transmissions, sending Morse Code messages, disrupting communications, etc. in an attempt to sow more paranoia among the security organs.

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Late-breaking news: Pyongyang this evening announced the successful launch of the world's first ballistic anti-submarine missile.

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I voted "Don't Care" since "Neither" wasn't an option. They can't hit us and we're only involved because they can hit allies that should be able to take care of themselves.
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