What motivates non-Muslim Islamic apologists?

[Wellington95]

Originally Posted by KICK

Stalin nationalized the farms and industry and forcibly moved people around to get the collective working.

Hitler made deals with the big money guys and the factory owners
paid lip service to workers
but didn't really nationalize anything
he left the old guard in place
let them make their profit
and did what he wanted to do
without interference

you name a socialist besides Hitler whose enemies were Trade Unionists..?

Well, can't say I'm an expert on Nazi era economics...but Dest is, could you verify his claim?

[Destroyer25]

Originally Posted by Wellington95

Well, can't say I'm an expert on Nazi era economics...but Dest is, could you verify his claim?

Hitler wasn't really a Socialist, he was politically neutral. The Nazi Party had both pro Socialism and pro Capitalism factions, and their policies reflected that. National Socialism was extremely centrist, socioeconomically speaking. It's policies were moderate, in hopes of attracting support from a wider range of groups in Germany. This is why it's really considered politically syncretic. Their socioeconomic policies weren't really crafted with one ideology in mind, they were just piking and choosing policies based on what would further their agenda. The only position that was clearly defined in the party were their racial views.

[KICK]

Originally Posted by Wellington95

Well, can't say I'm an expert on Nazi era economics...but Dest is, could you verify his claim?

read up on one of the main characters of the 20th century instead of lettting somebody else tell you what to think.

the sumbytch wasn't all bad..
even though you generally get in trouble for saying so,
same applies to Stalin or Mao.

[VinceW]

Originally Posted by Destroyer25

Hitler wasn't really a Socialist, he was politically neutral. The Nazi Party had both pro Socialism and pro Capitalism factions, and their policies reflected that. National Socialism was extremely centrist, socioeconomically speaking. It's policies were moderate, in hopes of attracting support from a wider range of groups in Germany. This is why it's really considered politically syncretic. Their socioeconomic policies weren't really crafted with one ideology in mind, they were just piking and choosing policies based on what would further their agenda. The only position that was clearly defined in the party were their racial views.

With their racial policies being their chief concern do you consider them to be Rightwing then?Other than Conservative Liberals(IE pre 70's US Southern Democrats)I don't know any lefties that wanted to somewhat resemble the Nazis system.

[KICK]

Originally Posted by VinceW

With their racial policies being their chief concern do you consider them to be Rightwing then?Other than Conservative Liberals(IE pre 70's US Southern Democrats)I don't know any lefties that wanted to somewhat resemble the Nazis system.

personally, I consider them to be totally pro Germanic
Pro Hi Whitee

[Destroyer25]

Originally Posted by VinceW

With their racial policies being their chief concern do you consider them to be Rightwing then?Other than Conservative Liberals(IE pre 70's US Southern Democrats)I don't know any lefties that wanted to somewhat resemble the Nazis system.

Their racial policies are certainly held by many political groups that are classified as far right, although they certainly aren't mainstream right. I wouldn't solely call the Nazis far right based on those views alone though. The ideology is far more complex to judge it merely on one aspect. By that logic Progressive Conservatives are Liberals for supporting gay marriage and abortion.

[Dashy]

Originally Posted by Pirateship1982

One point:

The Nazis portrayed innocent Jews as evil and corrupt, which obviously they weren't and even if they were wouldn't warrant violent action.

"The Right" portrays Islamofacists as uber violent jihadists.

THE JIHADISTS DON'T DISPUTE THIS.

They fully admit to wanting to kill Jews and Christians. It ain't propaganda when you say "jihadists are violent" and they say "Damn right we are. Now convert infidel!"

I seriously doubt anyone here would defend Islamofacists, however you'll find a fair few ready to defend non-islamofacist Moslems, who aren't really that different from your average Christian, sure they don't eat pork and may dress differently, but they most certainly are not the blood drinking carnivores some posters on this forum seem to believe they are.

[Wellington95]

Originally Posted by Dashy

I seriously doubt anyone here would defend Islamofacists, however you'll find a fair few ready to defend non-islamofacist Moslems, who aren't really that different from your average Christian, sure they don't eat pork and may dress differently, but they most certainly are not the blood drinking carnivores some posters on this forum seem to believe they are.

[johns624]

Originally Posted by Dashy

I seriously doubt anyone here would defend Islamofacists, however you'll find a fair few ready to defend non-islamofacist Moslems, who aren't really that different from your average Christian, sure they don't eat pork and may dress differently, but they most certainly are not the blood drinking carnivores some posters on this forum seem to believe they are.

Exactly. There are many here who group all Muslims together "kill them all". They are the last group that people can stereotype and get away with it. The vast majority are peaceful, industrious people. I know, I live and work near Dearborn, MI. Per capita, the largest group of US criminals are Black. Yet, I don't hear anyone saying "all Black people are criminals and should be in jail". First, it's not true, and second, people couldn't get away with saying it. Ye, our resident "good Christian" says that most Muslims are violent psychopaths. That's just preposterous.

[eddie3rar]

Muslims living in the west are volatile third world tribal people living in modern first world secular societies where they are despised and hated due to their violence and criminality. Muslims live in ghetto suburbs, vote in blocks, and are a fifth column. The types that play blocker for their violent deeds are lefty ferals who see Islam as a wrecking force useful in attacking the status quo, dodgy politicians after the third worlder vote, or deluded rich folk who see muslims as latter day Jews being percsecuted the modern dayevil white racist folk.
This article gives a good clue.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ndrGaAnp

[Destroyer25]

Originally Posted by eddie3rar

Muslims living in the west are volatile third world tribal people living in modern first world secular societies where they are despised and hated due to their violence and criminality. Muslims live in ghetto suburbs, vote in blocks, and are a fifth column. The types that play blocker for their violent deeds are lefty ferals who see Islam as a wrecking force useful in attacking the status quo, dodgy politicians after the third worlder vote, or deluded rich folk who see muslims as latter day Jews being percsecuted the modern dayevil white racist folk.
This article gives a good clue.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ndrGaAnp

No surprise there. The left is tolerant of all religions except for Christianity.

[Admiral]

Early/mid 20th century Socialism, Nazism & Fascism ain't 21st century non-Islamic Apologia...

Get back to the topic, Mates!

[johns624]

Originally Posted by eddie3rar

Muslims living in the west are volatile third world tribal people living in modern first world secular societies where they are despised and hated due to their violence and criminality. Muslims live in ghetto suburbs, vote in blocks, and are a fifth column.

The ones in Australia must be different than the ones in the US. Many of the ones that I know are lawabiding small business owners.

[Pirateship1982]

Originally Posted by johns624

Exactly. There are many here who group all Muslims together "kill them all". They are the last group that people can stereotype and get away with it. The vast majority are peaceful, industrious people. I know, I live and work near Dearborn, MI. Per capita, the largest group of US criminals are Black. Yet, I don't hear anyone saying "all Black people are criminals and should be in jail". First, it's not true, and second, people couldn't get away with saying it. Ye, our resident "good Christian" says that most Muslims are violent psychopaths. That's just preposterous.

The vast majority IN AMERICA are peaceful and industrious. Take a look at Chechnya and tell me it's true there too.

I suspect one element which causes these disagreements is when one side either assumes all Muslims behave like Chechnyans or that all Muslims behave like Americans. That isn't the case. There are psychotic Muslim murder regimes, not all Muslim states behave like our moderates. There are regions where the psychos outnumber the sane. American Muslims behaving well does not mean they're all well rounded individuals. Iran, Chechnya, Egypt, Sudan. There are places of violent majorities.

[Wellington95]

Originally Posted by Pirateship1982

The vast majority IN AMERICA are peaceful and industrious. Take a look at Chechnya and tell me it's true there too.

I suspect one element which causes these disagreements is when one side either assumes all Muslims behave like Chechnyans or that all Muslims behave like Americans. That isn't the case. There are psychotic Muslim murder regimes, not all Muslim states behave like our moderates. There are regions where the psychos outnumber the sane. American Muslims behaving well does not mean they're all well rounded individuals. Iran, Chechnya, Egypt, Sudan. There are places of violent majorities.

They also have governments that oppress them beyond comprehension...I think, as AMERICANS, we should be able to relate to that.