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View Poll Results: Was the German Army (Heer) really so superior in WW2?
Absolutely no question. They were easily the best for pretty much the entire war 1 1.01%
The Heer possessed an innate superiority but was overwhelmed by sheer numbers and degraded by attrition 16 16.16%
Clearly more than a match for any opponent in the first half of the war at least; and even after that still often gave better than they got 35 35.35%
Easily the best during the early 'Blitzkrieg' campaigns and remained at least competitive thereafter 30 30.30%
The Heer enjoyed something of an edge in the early campaigns but their opponents caught up quickly 17 17.17%
As per option 5 but some of their opponents actually bettered them on at least one level 13 13.13%
German strategic skills were never anything special; and their tactical & operation skills were only slightly better in the early campaigns 11 11.11%
As per option 7 but Allied armies had clearly at least equally them tactically and bested them on other levels from 42/43 onwards 7 7.07%
They only won the early campaigns through a combination of luck, and the incompetence & lack of preparedness of their opponents. They were never anything special 7 7.07%
The Germans were never much good. It's all propaganda 2 2.02%
Other (please state and explain) 5 5.05%
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What a terrible injustice for guys wearing such cool uniforms, killing inferior peoples with such efficience and staying loyal to their maniacal government to the bitter end!
Of course the Red Army acted so honorably while serving their own personnel paranoid alcoholic dictator who killed a load of his own people for fear of a coup.
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I was around 4-5. Better than the available opposition at the start but needed to win with the first punch. Others matched & even bettered the Heer once they found their feet.

I often wonder how things might have played out if the French had properly defended the Ardennes & the better French & British units had been able to withdraw in good order. Perhaps still a loss, but an interesting scenario if they can hang on until winter.
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Of course the Red Army acted so honorably while serving their own personnel paranoid alcoholic dictator who killed a load of his own people for fear of a coup.
Nice. After experts on climate change and muslim world, we have now one specialised in psychiatry and alcoholism.
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Of course the Red Army acted so honorably while serving their own personnel paranoid alcoholic dictator who killed a load of his own people for fear of a coup.
The Red Army defended their country and their people. What did the German army do?
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The Red Army defended their country and their people. What did the German army do?
They tried to do that...
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Of course. The best location to defend Germany was in Belgium, France, Norway, SU and a bunch of other countries.

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Of course. The best location Germany was in Belgium, France, Norway, SU and a bunch of other countries.
Well obviously, I guess I'm referring to the last year of the war.

Cannot the same sort of be said of the Soviet Union (as they occupied half of Europe after the war). Although that wasn't necessarily for "defense."
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Well obviously, I guess I'm referring to the last year of the war.
Without the events ofs 1939-1942, there will be no need for them to defend their motherland. They put themsalves in this postion unlike the others who were forced to fighting agains an invasion.


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Cannot the same sort of be said of the Soviet Union (as they occupied half of Europe after the war). Although that wasn't necessarily for "defense."
It's different for various raisons and defense agains a Western attack was one of them. But this is a subject for another thread.
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It's different for various raisons and defense agains a Western attack was one of them. But this is a subject for another thread.
And that's justified? By that logic Germany could have taken over half of Europe so that they would be able to "feel" safe from USA.
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Well obviously, I guess I'm referring to the last year of the war.
Well, it's like saying "I was just defending myself!" after you smash a group of people in the face and then start blocking their return blows. I wonder if you're joking or what?

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Cannot the same sort of be said of the Soviet Union (as they occupied half of Europe after the war). Although that wasn't necessarily for "defense."
I hope you're not joking again. The policies of the Soviet Union were totally incomparable to what the Nazis did. And what would be necessary for the "defense" of a country which had been invaded innumerable times throughout the last millenium, both from the West and the East? I could bet a casket of whiskey that had US had a powerful rival on the continent which had repeatedly invaded it, it would have done everything short of total genocide to secure itself from his invasions, including keeping independent buffer nations under its thumb.
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And that's justified? By that logic Germany could have taken over half of Europe so that they would be able to "feel" safe from USA.
Did the USA have a land border with Germany? Did the USA proclaim itself a mortal enemy of Germans and the German way of life? Did the USA claim German lands?
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USA taken half of the Europe to be safe from USSR.
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Did the USA have a land border with Germany? Did the USA proclaim itself a mortal enemy of Germans and the German way of life? Did the USA claim German lands?
Russia didn't have a land border with Germany. They didn't need to oppress Eastern Europe for a decade but they did. They could have given those countries independence but they didn't.

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USA taken half of the Europe to be safe from USSR.
USA did not occupy Europe in the manner that the USSR did. The W. Allies liberated, the USSR conquered. France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, and Italy all got independence after being liberated. Eastern Europe did not.
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USA taken half of the Europe to be safe from USSR.
Good point. To be more correct, the US bought half of Europe so that the ruling classes of France and Italy wouldn't let the freely and fairly elected Communists participate in their governments. So much for democracy-schlemocracy the US likes to lecture everybody on
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