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11th Air Assault Division

Here's one for the record books - the 11th Air Assault Division (Test).

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1963 - MG Kinnard selected to command the newly formed 11th Air Assault Division (Test).


1964 - 11th Air Assault Division (Test) develops and successfully tests air assault technology.


1964 - The original Air Assault Badge (shown on the bottom of this page - lower right) was awarded to the 11th Air Assault Division (Test) by Commanding General Kinnard, "designed to duplicate the espirit that the paratrooper and aviator wings achieved." The original Air Assault Badge was never approved by the Army.


1965 - 11th Air Assault Division (Test) was merged with newly reactivated 1st Cavalry Division and shipped to Vietnam. The Air Assault Badge is worn in 1st Cavalry Division by former members of the 11th Air Assault Division (Test) and later in the 101st Airborne Division (Airmobile) in Vietnam as the Airmobile Badge.
I served a full two years in the Division, and still have my original issue Air Assault badge, the one not ultimately approved by the Army, and thus not available after 1965.








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Mountain Man, I was at 4th TSB (Abn) in June-July 1965. Correct me if I'm wrong but the 11th AASlt Div (Test) was merged with the 2nd Infantry Division and then redesignated the 1st Cavalry Division, with comcurrent reflagging of the 1st Cav Division in Korea as the 2nd Infantry Division. My First Sergeant tried to talk me into going to D Troop 1/9th Cav, with a promise that I would get Pathfinder training, but I insisted on reenlisting for SF, for which I had been approved.

In restrospect, a year with the Cav in Vietnam then would have given me a lot more experience to take into SF. I should have listened to my First Sergeant. Hindsight is 20/20.

As for the badge, we almost resurrected it in 1971 when the 1st Cav was at Fort Hood as a 'tricap' division. MG J.C. Smith, who had commanded the 1/9th Cav sometime after Col Stockton, sent such a proposal to the AG of the Army, but it was not approved. Gen. Smith wanted tha original Air Assault badge, but the present design isn't bad, and similar to the Glider Badge of WWII and Korea.
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MM,

Two quick questions. Was the 226th Avn Bn the unit equipped with the armed Mohawk aircraft? What was your specific MOS at this time?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the 11th AASlt Div (Test) was merged with the 2nd Infantry Division and then redesignated the 1st Cavalry Division, with comcurrent reflagging of the 1st Cav Division in Korea as the 2nd Infantry Division.
That was portrayed in We Were Soldiers: Hal Moore was wearing the 2nd ID patch and Bruce Crandall was wearing the 11th AA when they were training at Ft. Benning.

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My First Sergeant tried to talk me into going to D Troop 1/9th Cav, with a promise that I would get Pathfinder training, but I insisted on reenlisting for SF, for which I had been approved.
Missed your chance to be a Headhunter.

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In restrospect, a year with the Cav in Vietnam then would have given me a lot more experience to take into SF. I should have listened to my First Sergeant. Hindsight is 20/20.
Of course the other side of that coin is that you might have never made it out of the An Lao Valley.

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As for the badge, we almost resurrected it in 1971 when the 1st Cav was at Fort Hood as a 'tricap' division.
Going off topic here, but I've thought a "tricap" cavalry regiment might have some merit. Maybe one air squadron, one armor squadron, and one Stryker squadron. Just seems like there might be more utility for an organization like that in 21st Century warfare than for the old heavy ACR that was designed as corps asset.

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MG J.C. Smith, who had commanded the 1/9th Cav sometime after Col Stockton.....
Wasn't Stockton the man who reintroduced the cav stetson? And who was the inspiration for the character of LTC Kilgore? Kilgore was Big Duke Six in the movie and Stockton was Bullwhip Six, correct?
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Mountain Man, I was at 4th TSB (Abn) in June-July 1965. Correct me if I'm wrong but the 11th AASlt Div (Test) was merged with the 2nd Infantry Division and then redesignated the 1st Cavalry Division, with comcurrent reflagging of the 1st Cav Division in Korea as the 2nd Infantry Division. My First Sergeant tried to talk me into going to D Troop 1/9th Cav, with a promise that I would get Pathfinder training, but I insisted on reenlisting for SF, for which I had been approved.

In restrospect, a year with the Cav in Vietnam then would have given me a lot more experience to take into SF. I should have listened to my First Sergeant. Hindsight is 20/20.

As for the badge, we almost resurrected it in 1971 when the 1st Cav was at Fort Hood as a 'tricap' division. MG J.C. Smith, who had commanded the 1/9th Cav sometime after Col Stockton, sent such a proposal to the AG of the Army, but it was not approved. Gen. Smith wanted tha original Air Assault badge, but the present design isn't bad, and similar to the Glider Badge of WWII and Korea.
The 11th Air Assault Division (Test) morphed directly into the First Cav (Airmobile).

My unit went directly from Benning to 'Nam with the majority of the 11th Division in the summer of '65.
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MM,

Two quick questions. Was the 226th Avn Bn the unit equipped with the armed Mohawk aircraft? What was your specific MOS at this time?

Cheers,
Dan.
Yes. We had the A and then the B models, and we were initially the 226th Aerial Surveillance and Escort Battalion, which resulted in GE electric minigun pods being hung from the wings along with small bombs and even a rocket or two. You might have noted that the Blue Mohawk unit patch from 'Nam still refers to "Hunter-Killer, even though the 'Hawk had mostly reverted to it's intended roll of reconnaissance.

The Army even thought about trying to arm our two OH-13 courier choppers, but that was determined to be impractical from any useful tactical viewpoint.

The escort concept failed because the top speed of a fully loaded Huey in hot, humid air is too close to the stall speed of a Mohawk, although the 'Hawks worked out a figure-eight flight path that allowed them to cover the choppers. It turned out in practice in 'Nam, however, that the best escort for a Huey slick was a Huey gunship.

My specific MOS at the time was 91B. I was the primary medic for Hq & Alpha Company, as well as the Medical Section/Flight Surgeon clerk and the official ambulance driver.

Interestingly, the whole time the 11th trained and tested, the fiction was maintained that we were training in new concepts to be used against the Soviets in Europe, although the training and testing took place entirely in the American South, in George and the Carolinas, hot, humid, wet places that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the European theater. They were interesting times, though.
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The 11th Air Assault Division (Test) morphed directly into the First Cav (Airmobile).
Yes, and your Airborne Brigade became the 1st Bde, 1st Cav. But 2nd and 3rd Brigades were 'morphed' from the 2nd Infantry Division at the same time. And you all went directly to Vietnam. I remember some of the kids I was in jump school with leaving with the advanced parties of their units in August 1965, I believe out of Mobile, Alabama.

KRJ, Yes John B. reintroduced the Black Stetson. IIRC, he was replaced by Schoomaker, who was replaced by someone else (Throckmorton?). J.C. Smith became Div Commander at Fort Hood in 1971. Smith was born at Fort Oglethorpe in Georgia, when his Dad was Regimental Sergeant Major of the 6th Cavalry, which was still horse mounted at the time. He was the one that revived the Divisional Horse Troop, assisted by Captain Max Dack (IIRC).
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Yep - I lost a lot of my infantry friends from Sand Hill and Kelly Hill that way.
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Here's one for the record books - the 11th Air Assault Division (Test).

I served a full two years in the Division, and still have my original issue Air Assault badge, the one not ultimately approved by the Army, and thus not available after 1965.








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I joined the 11th AAD in July '64 with the move of the 17th Av. Batt. (CV-2 Caribous) from Ft. Ord, Ca.
I was a commo tech (RTT Operator) Went through the field manuvers at Ft. Stewart/Gordon in Sept./Oct. '64.
After 1st of year, (1965) I was reassigned to 11th Med. Batt, in Harmony Church. (The 11th Med. became the 15th Med. when the AirCav was formed)
When the AirCav was formed, in June of '65, the 2nd I.D. flags/banners went to Korea and the 1st Cav colors came home.
Elements of the 2 I.D. at Benning had been used by the 11th AAD for manuver elements during the field manuvers. These were broken up and some personnal were transferred into the AirCav, some to other units or seperated at Benning.
I deployed with the AirCav, out of Benning, in August, '65. Shipped on the USNS Upshur. Arrived at Qun Nohn, got off the ship, walked up the beach and into a CH-47. The Shithooks dropped us in the middle of some paddies, And we went to work on an area.
A week later, after considerable work, we were informed we were in the wrong area. THAT area was where the MASH is supposed to be.
We were moved under the hill, south of the Golf Course, across the creek from the GR detachment. Had to work all over again.
In July, '66, I extended fo 6 months. Came home in Fed. '67 and seperated 42 days early, 27 Feb. '67.
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Hello Gents, My father SP4 Frankie Sanchez was a member of the 11th AirAssault (Test) then deployed with the 1st Cav (Airmobile) A Co 12th Cav. He was one of 11 A Co Soldiers KIA on Feb 23 1966. 50 years later my brother and I are heading to Atlanta (Frankie is buried in Marietta) to commemorate the date... Not really looking for anything but happy I found you and this thread. 50 years is a long time and I hope each of you has found a good place and know you have my full respect.... Thank you David
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Hello Gents, My father SP4 Frankie Sanchez was a member of the 11th AirAssault (Test) then deployed with the 1st Cav (Airmobile) A Co 12th Cav. He was one of 11 A Co Soldiers KIA on Feb 23 1966. 50 years later my brother and I are heading to Atlanta (Frankie is buried in Marietta) to commemorate the date... Not really looking for anything but happy I found you and this thread. 50 years is a long time and I hope each of you has found a good place and know you have my full respect.... Thank you David
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