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SS Baton Rouge Victory

On August 23, 1966, the SS Baton Rouge Victory was sank by PAVN sappers in the Lng Tu river. It was the largest ship sunk in that waterway until that moment.

I'm looking for the detailed cargo manifest of SS Baton Rouge Victory when it sank. Thanks for any hint/steer to relevant documents!

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Won't be easy; maybe not even possible. You might try to find a copy of her deck log. Contact to see if available is:

Commander, Military Sealift Command
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914 Charles Morris Ct., S.E.
Washington Navy Yard, DC 20398-5540

As a starting point, I would write and simply ask them for the information you seek. Even if a deck log is available, there's a good chance it won't contain the manifest you want. However, someone at MSC may be able to steer you in the right direction.

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Won't be easy; maybe not even possible. You might try to find a copy of her deck log. Contact to see if available is:

Commander, Military Sealift Command
Attn: Public Affairs
914 Charles Morris Ct., S.E.
Washington Navy Yard, DC 20398-5540

As a starting point, I would write and simply ask them for the information you seek. Even if a deck log is available, there's a good chance it won't contain the manifest you want. However, someone at MSC may be able to steer you in the right direction.

Good luck...
Interesting "Skip"; how about a "troop" manifest for the U.S.N.S. Geiger that I came to Vietnam on? Would I write to the same folks?













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I would like to have the names of all the troops that were on that ship for my personal reasons.



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Yes Ken, MTS is the new name for the old MSTS command.

The T in (T-AP 197) denotes the Geiger as one of their ships.
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Yes Ken, MTS is the new name for the old MSTS command.

The T in (T-AP 197) denotes the Geiger as one of their ships.
Thanks Bud; will send them a little letter.

Troop manifest is most important; however some notations from the Ship's Log should contain some other information I would like.



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On August 23, 1966, the SS Baton Rouge Victory was sank by PAVN sappers in the Lng Tu river. It was the largest ship sunk in that waterway until that moment.

I'm looking for the detailed cargo manifest of SS Baton Rouge Victory when it sank. Thanks for any hint/steer to relevant documents!

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It appears the Baton Rouge Victory was damaged but not sunk. Seven crew were killed. Here's a cut-and-paste from the Harbor Clearance Unit website. It does summarize the cargo on board. It seems the mine triggered a string of mishaps for the ship.

But the somewhat quiet existence of Harbor Clearance Unit ONE was to end on the 23rd of August. On that day the SS BATON ROUGE VICTORY was transiting the Long Tau River to Saigon with a full load of cargo consisting of tractors, automobiles, mail, and general cargo. The ship struck a mine at approximately 0900 which blew a 35' x 45' hole in the port side of the engine room and No. 3 hold. The ship flooded instantly, but the master managed to run it aground avoiding the blocking of the ever-important channel. Seven men lost their lives in the explosion.

LT DELANOY and Harbor Clearance Team FOUR were the first on the scene and quickly evaluated the situation. Meanwhile, the rest of Harbor Clearance Unit ONE was immediately deployed from Subic Bay for South Vietnam. At the site of the mining, deck cargo was quickly off-loaded but the ship couldn't be held in the moor because of strong tide and current and consequently became quite lively. LT DELANOY decided at this point to take the ship down the river to Vung Tau where salvage operations could be safely held rather than stay in a hostile area and risk blocking the much traveled channel as well.

The transit of the river went well and the BATON ROUGE VICTORY was run aground in Vung Tau Harbor. On the scene was Harbor Clearance Unit ONE en masse: The YDT-11, all four Harbor Clearance Teams, and two Light Lift Craft. The entire command was present except for one Light Lift Craft left back at Subic Bay for upkeep, repair and liaison.

Round-the-clock efforts were utilized in the operation of salvaging the BATON ROUGE VICTORY. A huge patch, weighing approximately ten tons, the maximum that could be handled by the available crane, was manufactured aboard the YDT-11 and installed in mid-September on the side of the ship, covering the large hole. The ship was then pumped out but, unfortunately, on the 22nd of the same month, the patch collapsed under the weight of the outside sea water and was rendered useless. However, four of the seven bodies of the men killed in the engine room were recovered through this effort.

Not to be discouraged, however, the Unit had a larger, stronger, and better patch built at Subic Bay. When completed, it weighed at over 50 tons and had a price tag of over $50,000. It arrived at the scene on the 22nd of November, was put in place, and the ship was again dewatered. The remaining three bodies were recovered and sixteen bulldozers were able to be recovered from the No. 3 hold after dewatering. The patch itself was the largest ever constructed in the annals of ship salvage. It was so constructed that it contained ballast tanks that could be flooded or dewatered so the patch itself could be floated or sunk as required on the job.

On the 9th of December the BATON ROUGE VICTORY was towed out of Vung Tau Harbor. However, on the 10th she suffered a collision with the SS EVER FORTUNE. One of the wires holding the huge patch to the vessel parted, the patch began to work loose in the heavy seas, and consequently, the hold and engine room flooded - once again. The vessel was again towed into Vung Tau Harbor where it was reanchored by Harbor Clearance Unit ONE forces. On the 30th of December it was again taken under tow - flooded and without a patch - and arrived safely at Singapore for repair or survey. All in all, BATON ROUGE VICTORY salvage operations took in the period from August 23rd, 1966, until December 30th, 1966. $500,000 worth of tractors were saved by the dewatering.
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Won't be easy; maybe not even possible. You might try to find a copy of her deck log. Contact to see if available is:

Commander, Military Sealift Command
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Thank you. I'll try this avenue should all others fail.

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Here's a cut-and-paste from the Harbor Clearance Unit website.
Thank you. I think I have pulled a pretty good set of what available on www, including this one cited by you. Have a look at this:



Some items on the deck don't resemble tractors nor trucks to my untrained eyes.

Therefore I'm after a more detailed cargo manifest.

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You're thinking armored vehicles?
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Thank you. I think I have pulled a pretty good set of what available on www, including this one cited by you. Have a look at this:

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Some items on the deck don't resemble tractors nor trucks to my untrained eyes.

Therefore I'm after a more detailed cargo manifest.

Best regards,

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In Hold # 3 there were sixteen bulldozers but according to many site, she carried "military vehicles and GC" or "militaries supplies".

The spec of her holds are:

The VC2-S-AP2 ships were arranged to carry general cargo in five holds, three forward and two abaft the midship machinery space.
Hold No. 1 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 25-foot hatch;
Hold No. 2 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 24-foot hatch;
Hold No. 3 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 36-foot hatch; (Hold is bigger than hatch)
Hold No. 4 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 36-foot hatch;
Hold No. 5 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 24-foot hatch.


Beside that, with "Depth of Hold: 38 feet" and 2 decks/hold, I don't think that there were only 16 bulldozer in Hold #3.


In December of 1965 she was withdrawn from the National Reserve Fleet for reactivation, assigned for husbanding to States Steamship Company as general agent and, in February of 1966, after being declared seaworthy, was allocated by the United States Navy Military Sea Transportation Service to carry military supplies to the armed forces in Southeast Asia.

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In Hold # 3 there were sixteen bulldozers but according to many site, she carried "military vehicles and GC" or "militaries supplies".

The spec of her holds are:

The VC2-S-AP2 ships were arranged to carry general cargo in five holds, three forward and two abaft the midship machinery space.
Hold No. 1 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 25-foot hatch;
Hold No. 2 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 24-foot hatch;
Hold No. 3 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 36-foot hatch; (Hold is bigger than hatch)
Hold No. 4 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 36-foot hatch;
Hold No. 5 has a 22-foot, 4-inch by 24-foot hatch.


Beside that, with "Depth of Hold: 38 feet" and 2 decks/hold, I don't think that there were only 16 bulldozer in Hold #3.


In December of 1965 she was withdrawn from the National Reserve Fleet for reactivation, assigned for husbanding to States Steamship Company as general agent and, in February of 1966, after being declared seaworthy, was allocated by the United States Navy Military Sea Transportation Service to carry military supplies to the armed forces in Southeast Asia.
Bulldozers are military vehicles assigned to just about all Engineer Units including the Sea bee's. Just because they have 38 feet to work with does not mean it is filled to the top. It is a good chance this was general cargo. So what do you suspect was in Hold #3?
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