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Old 04 Aug 11, 11:28
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Intelligence agencies following ACG forum posts?

I imagine its not hard to track a member's history here at the ACG forums, as they could probably track every website we visit at what time and at which location if they wanted to.
Do they need a warrant for that?
Does the Patriot Act allow warrant-less web tracking? I wonder if they could pick out evidence of criminal or terrorist 'leanings' from what members post or reply on ACG, and make someone keep a record.
What qualifies as something threatening national security? I just keep thinking back to the McCarthyism and the Red Scare in the 40s and 50s and if the Tea Party wins the next election, will they be more aggressive with tracking certain individuals deemed potentially dangerous to national security or questioning their policies?
Does the government even need to go to all that trouble, or would they just make ACG moderators do the work for them, assuming there are some ACG editors or moderators with former intelligence background?
Would they pay attention to foreign or domestic members more?

Or perhaps, the government relies on members digging up information for them, like on China and North Korea for example. Are we just unpaid civilian intelligence lackeys for the United States intelligence agencies? Perhaps, they come here to find obscure intelligence leads, and then go and find the real facts about it. I don't know and probably will never know, as it's not my need to know and I don't expect any agents to help me know... In this day and age (the internet age) though, so much more information is being created, distributed, exchanged, dug-up and analyzed by so many more people that the internet must make it hard to separate the fact from fiction. Is this what forums like this are for? When does providing clarification to the masses become dangerous to national security? Or do they just hope to ignore away the masses and denounce everything?
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There's probably a very clever machine in a building in Virginia, which can't play chess, which monitors a certain amount of internet traffic between points A and B...most of the posters here are based in the US, EU and Antipodes so it probably has a lower level of attention than say, Mid-East to US or China to US. This machine or group thereof, probably flags up words like bomb and infidel...I'm not sure where the human element would enter into it, though I remember in a series of seminars on Intelligence Agencies, we were taught the value of open- cyber-source - IE Internet - information. A big American org. like the NSA or CIA or FBI could probably monitor certain nodes of information traffic..., but MI5 can't even shoot a Brazilian queitly, or look after a laptop on a train, let alone measure so much traffic and flag the words which set alarm bells ringing. Most likely there's a passive method and a targeted method of intelligence gathering in this regard, with the passive flagging words or activity, and the targeted seeking certain kinds of forum - I doubt ACG would be such a kind. - le shrug
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Freightshaker, do you want to mail me something? For geography's sake lets say I live in Transnistria, aka Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic.
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Does the government even need to go to all that trouble, or would they just make ACG moderators do the work for them...
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...assuming there are some ACG editors or moderators with former intelligence background?
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The patriot act only comes into play if you have a foreign connection that has been found to be linked to terrorists. For example, people who were found in the cell phones of terrorists overseas but who are living in the US are subject to patriot act surveillance. If you don't have Al Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood on your speed dial you have nothing to worry about.

There is a national security court that issues warrants for intelligence cases where the information must stay secret.

Just as with the Echelon system, I have no doubt that intelligence and law enforcement agents monitor the internet for certain kinds of activity.
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I hope I won't qualify for a tin foil hat after this post, but....

To answer the initial question- I bet they do and if they don't- they are incompetent.

Every self respecting intelligence agency or organization has a unit that focuses only on open source intelligence (i.e newspapers, T.V, radio, internet), but for the sake of it one wouldn't have to be an active poster, let alone actually subscribe to get info.

That being said, I hardly believe ACG is targeted as a prime source of info, but merely one box of many that needs to be 'checked' on some guy or girl's check list, if anyone's actively trying to dredge information it's either 'cause he's board and that's his past time or due to some ab-normal case.

An Israeli forum which I frequent is heavily monitored by a unusual number of such organizations (we even have the occasional "psych-warfare" representation, Hezbollah and Hamas guys posting during the Lebanon and Gaza conflicts, it was good mainly for laughs) that's why the moderators keep in close touch with the military censorship and enforce it's rules strictly.
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I sure hope they aren't monitoring this thread :

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=111166
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I sure hope they aren't monitoring this thread :

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=111166
Too crazy, even for the government.
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We can neither confirm or deny any such involvement...

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We can all just plead the 5th
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Intelligence agencies following ACG forum posts?

Good question.
I have thought about it before.
The can check my posts if they want.
I see my posts as combination burritos in the steakhouse of life.

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Yes, and I am paranoid about it. Heard a Kinks' song "I'm too terrified to go out my front door" Noone here is going to talk about stuff which could give away military tech.

That said: December the 21st solstice is the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar. It coincides with the alignment of the galactic centre, the Sun and the Earth. As well as Venus Earth and the Sun. We are all doomed!
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