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Are US Forces personnel who have completed the service they have signed up for, automatically placed on a reserve list?

I'm not sure about the situation in the UK at present [doubtless it can be Googled], but when my dad's 25yrs. was up he was automatically placed on a reserve list [not the Territorials/National Guard], for I believe a period of 5 years. If an emergency had blown up during that time he would have been dragged back, effectively into the Regulars again at his leaving rank, pay and seniority - for the duration of the crisis.
It depends on your contract. I know people that completed their 3/4 year AD contract get released and not have to spend a day in the AR/NG or IRR. After the end of your 8 years contract, if you have not re enlisted you're free to go. Getting in to the IRR from the NG/AR is NOT automatic as one of my soldiers is finding out to her sorrow (she is getting what she deserves). You need to apply for it and then wait for orders placing you in the IRR or ETS. Failure to do so means collecting U's and being kicked out of the army with a general discharge and potential loss of benefits instead of honorable discharge with benefits.
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we also had a real world mission to deploy to Europe to either provide security of installations on Iceland or being assigned to V Corp. In fact in mid-76, we were put on Alert for deployment. The alert was finally cancelled after 48 hours and after we had completed uploaded/ packed the entire company to be airlifted.
Ed, I probably should have mentioned the "Black Knights" troop, but it wasn't standard infantry. I even gave some thought to signing up for that "Icelandic Defense Force" unit down in Rhode Island, just to get the AT there.

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Ok I found it, I was referring to the 295th and 296th Infantry Regiments ..
Chris, I served two and a half years with 1st Bn, 296th Infantry in Mayaguez, PR. As the only 'minority group member' in the battalion, the evaluators from the 87th ARCOM always took me for the unit advisor. Came in handy when we were taking ARTEPs. As for the 'legendary 65th Infantry', it was only legendary in Puerto Rico. The initial 65th that was sent to the Korean War was a good unit, and Regular Army. But it got filled with Guardsmen from the Island after a year, and they're the crowd that refused to attack Kelly Hill. It was transferred to the National Guard in 1954 (IIRC). Company E (Ranger) of the 65th Infantry was in the Puerto Rico Guard for many years, until it became a 'bill-payer' for the Texas NG's airborne battalion going off status.
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This is from the late 80s

187th Infantry Brigade - Ft Devens, MA:
3-16th Infantry Bn – Scarborough, ME:
3-18th Infantry Bn – Lawrence, MA:
3-35th Infantry Bn – Springfield, MA:
Troop D, 5th Cav – Ft. Devens, MA:
756 Engineer Co – Ft. Devens, MA:
5-5th Field Artillery Bn – Ft. Tilden, NY: M-109 (was 105mm towed in 1986)
My brother was assigned to Troop D 5th Cavalry for many years in the 1980s and early 1990s.

When I was assigned to Ft Drum 1988 - 1992, my unit supported them with our TOW equipment and their Commander was thoroughly impressed by the professionalism shown to his unit by my platoon.

Cpt Delcore presented each member of my Platoon with a certificate of appreciation and a case of beer. Their TOW equipment was still at the Depot getting upgraded to the TOW II standards.
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This is from the late 80s

187th Infantry Brigade - Ft Devens, MA:
3-16th Infantry Bn – Scarborough, ME:
3-18th Infantry Bn – Lawrence, MA:
3-35th Infantry Bn – Springfield, MA:
Troop D, 5th Cav – Ft. Devens, MA:
756 Engineer Co – Ft. Devens, MA:
5-5th Field Artillery Bn – Ft. Tilden, NY: M-109 (was 105mm towed in 1986)
My brother was assigned to Troop D 5th Cavalry for many years in the 1980s and early 1990s.

When I was assigned to Ft Drum 1988 - 1992, my unit supported them with our TOW equipment and their Commander was thoroughly impressed by the professionalism shown to his unit by my platoon.

Cpt Delcore presented each member of my Platoon with a certificate of appreciation and a case of beer. Their TOW equipment was still at the Depot getting upgraded to the TOW II standards.
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From my refs:

157th IB:
1 Feb 1975 to 23 July 76
1-315 Inf, 1-314 Inf, C-9 Cav, 6-68 Armor, 3-15 FA

23 July 76 to at least 2 Aug 1990 (when my timeline ends)
1-315 Inf, 1-314 Inf, C-9 Cav, 6-68 Armor, 4-8 FA

187th IB:
from 1975 until at least 2 Aug 1990
3-35 Inf, 3-16 Inf, 3-18 Inf,D-5 Cav,5-5 FA

205th IB:
from 1975 to at least 2 Aug 1990.

On 14 April 1986 6th ID was stood up and 205 IB became its' roundup brigade. Maintained same orbat.

3-3 Inf, 1-409 Inf, 1-410 Inf,E-4 Cav,3-14 FA
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They should reactivate the Army Reserve combat divisions.
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There are no real Reserve Combat Divisions anymore. They have some units that are tasked with basic training for new guys. There are no support units either. Some of the old HQ's are tasked with other Army management functions.

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There are no real Reserve Combat Divisions anymore. They have some units that are tasked with basic training for new guys. There are no support units either. Some of the old HQ's are tasked with other Army management functions.

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There are still plenty of support units in the USAR, they just aren't organized in divisions.

I think that the split between ARNG combat units (BCTs, with their organic support) and USAR CS/CSS is a bad idea. The federal force (USAR) should be a balanced complement to the RA as a operational reserve, and the ARNG should be a separate balanced force as the national strategic reserve. The perfect example is the mission command detachments that are putting portions of the active division HQs into the RC- they are ARNG, but they should be USAR, since they are tied directly to the RA, and intended to be a federal force.
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I hope Trump gives some thought to rebuilding the Army Reserve's combat forces. First we enlarge the 3 infantry battalions to full brigades.
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I hope Trump gives some thought to rebuilding the Army Reserve's combat forces. First we enlarge the 3 infantry battalions to full brigades.
There's only one infantry battalion in the USAR (100-442). It, along with two ARNG infantry battalions, are aligned with three of the four OCONUS IBCTs (2/25, 3/25, 172d) to give them a third infantry battalion. 4/25, AFAIK, doesn't have a third infantry battalion because it was scheduled for inactivation.

I think the current split between USAR and ARNG is a bad idea- I like the idea of federal control of some reserve component combat capability. And the "round-out" (I know that's not the current term, but it describes what we've done with forces) components of active units certainly should be federal USAR not state ARNG forces. But collectively our country is so far beyond that dichotomy in our federal system that even discussing those differences makes one sound like a radical.

It would be a significant, multi-year effort to build effective, large-scale combat units in the USAR. While the USAR does have some combat arms personnel, they are niche capabilities (initial entry training, observer/controllers, etc) and NOT ready to field large formations any time soon.
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It's something to consider given that there's some people want the National Guard to be used in a homeland defense role. Plus I thinks it's only fair that USAR should have combat capable forces. the USAFR has combat units so why shouldn't the Army Reserve?
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After WW II there were lots of combat units in the Army Reserve. As time went on, the political decision to reduce the Army Budget led to the reduction of Reserve Units. The Individual Reserves were assigned to active units that were understaffed when the balloon went up.

The National Guard is an older reserve that has much better political support. Over the years the Active Army would submit a budget with cuts in the Guard and Congress would reverse most of the cuts. Both people were "playing the game".

Before WW II the Guard was composed of many understrength combat units. This was not seen as a problem because these units would recruit back up to strength and train before seeing action. Any equipment needed would be furnished by the Feds. Most states could field at least a Regiment sized combat unit. Then they would add in heavy stuff like Artillery. Only the large urban states like New York or Pennsylvania would set up Ordinance or Quartermaster units.

After WW II it was seen that some combat support units were needed and they were added. There was still political pressure to reduce the Guard. The Vietnam War showed that very few Guardsmen would be called up and there was a large demand for slots in the Guard. This has since been reversed in the last twenty years as the Active Army made sure some specialist units were in the Reserves and Guard. They were sent with the Regulars.

Keep in mind the US Air Force has Reserve and Guard units. They often have pilots with more experience than active units! Jimmy Stewart made it up to Brigadier General in the Air Force Reserve and even flew on Bombing Missions in Vietnam!

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After WW II there were lots of combat units in the Army Reserve. As time went on, the political decision to reduce the Army Budget led to the reduction of Reserve Units. The Individual Reserves were assigned to active units that were understaffed when the balloon went up.
I've never seen any actual IRR members assigned to a specific active unit, although that is their theoretical purpose. The political decision was to place combat units in the ARNG and the CS/CSS in the USAR, which is why you see lots of engineers, MPs and logistics in the USAR.

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The National Guard is an older reserve that has much better political support. Over the years the Active Army would submit a budget with cuts in the Guard and Congress would reverse most of the cuts. Both people were "playing the game".
Care to point to these specific proposed cuts that were undone by Congress? This sounds like urban legend.

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Before WW II the Guard was composed of many understrength combat units. This was not seen as a problem because these units would recruit back up to strength and train before seeing action. Any equipment needed would be furnished by the Feds. Most states could field at least a Regiment sized combat unit. Then they would add in heavy stuff like Artillery. Only the large urban states like New York or Pennsylvania would set up Ordinance or Quartermaster units.
This sounds more like before WWI, not WWII. After WWI, the ARNG had standing divisions (although some were incomplete), some shared between states (like 26th "Yankee" Division in New England), some in a single state (like 27th in New York and 28th in Pennsylvania).

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After WW II it was seen that some combat support units were needed and they were added. There was still political pressure to reduce the Guard. The Vietnam War showed that very few Guardsmen would be called up and there was a large demand for slots in the Guard. This has since been reversed in the last twenty years as the Active Army made sure some specialist units were in the Reserves and Guard. They were sent with the Regulars.
Because the politicians refused to mobilize the ARNG, the Army decided to structure the force that the reserve components (both ARNG and USAR) would be required to fight. This led to round out units and a dependence on the USAR for CS/CSS (as discussed above). The last 20 years means since 1997, and most of these decisions were taken far earlier than that- early-mid-70s for most, late-80s for some.

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Keep in mind the US Air Force has Reserve and Guard units. They often have pilots with more experience than active units! Jimmy Stewart made it up to Brigadier General in the Air Force Reserve and even flew on Bombing Missions in Vietnam!
What does this have to do with anything?
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It's something to consider given that there's some people want the National Guard to be used in a homeland defense role. Plus I thinks it's only fair that USAR should have combat capable forces. the USAFR has combat units so why shouldn't the Army Reserve?
"it's only fair" is a poor argument for any force structure decision. The Army is different than the AF, likewise the ARNG and USAR are different than the ANG and the AFR.

I like the idea of federal reserve combat forces, but "the AF does it" lends no strength to your argument. The ONLY reason to make a military force structure change is to improve the combat capability of the Army. Any other reason is an abrogation of the responsibility delegated to the federal gov't to provide for the common defense.
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Post #41 by Merkava referenced the US Air Force Reserves. I wanted to point out that there was an Air National Guard and an Air Force Reserve. Many pilots in the Air Guard retired from active service to work for the airlines and still fly jets on the weekend. Many senior Guard officers have twice the flying hours as active serving pilots. Jimmy Stewart is one such example. He was before some guys time here, but I knew about him. Ted Williams flew fighters for the Marine Reserves in Korea.

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