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New Byzantium would like to request permission to set up a limited arms industry, with the intent of supplying the "Space Marines" with next gen gear, using advances in weaponary and robotics, and Romes booming industry.
No problem, as far as Phoenix Confed is concerned. In fact we encourage your contribution to the war effort.
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New Byzantium would like to request permission to set up a limited arms industry, with the intent of supplying the "Space Marines" with next gen gear, using advances in weaponary and robotics, and Romes booming industry.
Way to Go !!

Sorry - don't forget - you can also do your own Defence Units for your Worlds - lots of different uses, as per the Army on Earth.

IF we ever get a Zetan attempt at a ground attack on our Home Worlds - we should be able to follow Churchill's formula -

Quoted from one of the speeches of Churchill --

"Turning once again, and this time more generally, to the question of invasion, I would observe that there has never been a period in all these long centuries of which we boast, when an absolute guarantee against invasion, still less against serious raids, could have been given to our people."
"We are assured that novel methods will be adopted, and when we see the originality of malice, the ingenuity of aggression, which our enemy displays, we may certainly prepare ourselves for every kind of novel stratagem and every kind of brutal and treacherous manœuvre".
"I think that no idea is so outlandish that it should not be considered and viewed with a searching, but at the same time, I hope, with a steady eye. We must never forget the solid assurances of sea power and those which belong to air power if it can be locally exercised".

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our ... home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years ...".
"We shall go on to the end.
"We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength ... we shall defend our [ home ], whatever the cost may be".

"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills - we shall never surrender !".
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New Byzantium would like to request permission to set up a limited arms industry, with the intent of supplying the "Space Marines" with next gen gear, using advances in weaponary and robotics, and Romes booming industry.
Certainly. This is one of the first objects of production:



Name: FA-68A1
Manufacturer: Fedorov-Andrich Armories
Country of Origin: Ukraine
Caliber: 6.8x43 mm
Range:600 m point 800 m area

Fedorov-Andrich Armories started a while ago on Earth, in the Ukraine, with but one factory in western Ukraine. Then it grew. It specializes in what previous centuries called "intermediate calibers" referring to the gap between 5.56 and 7.62 mm weapons. In the new market it saw prosperity, and hopes to see even more prosperity in this new Space Race.

Fedorov Andrich claims that it could adapt this base FA68A1 model into a DMR and a carbine. It also suggests that any electronic modules could be integrated into the weapon as well, that a soldier might have.

I will post the Carbine, sniper, and SAW version in the Ground OOB.

Production of some FA68's would help. Fedorov-Andrich Armories says that it would like to open a factory.
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Greek Fire Inc

Greek Fire Inc is Rome's new Weaponry Institution. Led by the Brilliant Halberg Koing, Greek Fire Inc aims to equip the forces of the Sol, Attica and the Phoenix Federation with the best ground based weapons and equipment in the galaxy.

Greek Fire has already completed design of the first part of their "Space Corps" set.

The Space Crops Set is a set of tech, from ships to pistols, that is designed for assaulting planets held by enemy forces. this set will be followed by the "True Wall" set, which will be a series of equipment designed to defend planets from invasion.

The First (and most simple) part of the set is the "Galley" Landing Support Ship. The "Galley" is designed to carry over 60'000 ground troops with support. to this end, it is fitted with an abundance of hangars to carry Tugs and yet to be designed landing craft.

It is nearly three kilometres long, and can carry enough supplies to supply a 60'000 strong landing force for an intensive campaign four months long.

If the Galley works as desgined, An invasion will go on as thus ...

Stage 1

Space elements (BB's+ CV's) Secure the system, and identify slave planets

Stage 2

Galley Enters system and takes station in orbit around slave planet

Stage 3

Galley sends out first wave, of yet to be designed "First Wave" elements. the First Wave will secure one or more major population concentration centres.

Stage 4

Secondary waves are sent, the secondary waves land in low population areas, with the intention of isolating Zetan concentrations.

Stage 5

Tertiary Waves (also known as reinforcement waves) will land where needed.

It is estimated that at least five Galleys, with space support, will be needed to take one Planet, if population density is as high as estimated.
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So much for small limited industry aimed at supplying troops.
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So much for small limited industry aimed at supplying troops.

Limited, never said small.

you'll note Greek Fire is limited to producing equipment and means of transport for soldiers, filling an economic gap.
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Limited, never said small.

you'll note Greek Fire is limited to producing equipment and means of transport for soldiers, filling an economic gap.
Perhaps you should focus on the transportation? Because I already have a number of things on the drawing board, equipment.
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Perhaps you should focus on the transportation? Because I already have a number of things on the drawing board, equipment.
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Defense of New Byzantium has been charged to me. I was gracious to let you, in your own words, have limited production for troops. Technically I could have just as easily denied your production right for troop equipment, but I didn't.

Since you're getting your hands into defense, I suggest the following:

-build a NEU sized Naval Infantry base on Rhodes
-produce the FA68 series of weapons and/or future armored vehicles.
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It's not taking defense into my own hands, I don't have to population base ti support such an endevour. Greek Fire makes tools.

Someone else is going to have to supply the craftsmen.

Construction Engineers from Thessaly (The Floating City) will be re-assigned to construct the base on Rhodes.

As for the production of the FA68 Series and Armoured vehicles, New Byzantium will comply, but not to the extent that it's own enterprise (Greek Fire) is compromised economically, In other words, we will produce, but only to restricted contract, and only for the Sol Directorate.

The second part of the "Space Corps" set has been designed.

It consists of four vehicles, desgined arounf Space-Ground Landings, Supply and Reinforcement.

the first part of the Set is the Helepolis Class breakthrough Craft.

The Helepolis is 90 meters long, 36.2 meters wide and over ten meters tall (Closed). It is powered by a rear mounted Fusion Reactor. A Galley will carry six.

The Helepolis has three Stages/Stances.

The First is the Landing stage. The Helepolis will be fitted with four Atmospheric Detachable Engines (ADE's, Colloquially Aids). These enignes will allow the Helepolis to manuer from the Galley to th edesignated landing zone. Each Helepolis can carry in excess of 80 men with supplies to the ground.

Once upon the ground, the Helepolis has two "Battle Modes" the first is walker mode, in which the six legs of the Helepolis will move the body (Fitted with a turret mounted "Plasma Spigot" and two turret mounted AATR (Atmospheric Anti-Tank Railguns). The Helepolis is designed to withstand hits from weaponry similar to its own. The Legs will give the Helepolis the ability to move over most terrain, the legs are fitted with hard alloy claws. If it works as designed it should be able to scale a 60 degree mountain in an environment of 237% earth gravity.

the Last stage, the "Assault" stage is where the Helepolis will be strongest. The Helepolis, upon receiving orders to assault an enemy fortified position, will fold up its legs and deploy Material Assistance Nano-bots-Military grade- Designation HEAVY (MANBMDH- Colloquially MAN-bots). These bots will link together and form tank tracks around the retracted legs, sprockets will then deploy from the legs, driving the tracks.

The nanobots can be deactivated at any time and walker mode restored. However the greatest advantage of the Nano-Track is its ability to self repair, if the track is hit, more nano-bots are deployed to the destroyed area, whence they will replace the destroyed section. Each Helepolis will carry two tonnes of Nanobots in two separate containers (one for each side).

In Short, The Helepolis is designed to get men on the ground and blast away anything that gets in said men's way.

The Second craft of the set, the Hoplite Class landing craft, is desgined to carry the secondary waves and Local HQ's.

The Hoplite is a rectangular block, 200x100x30, It is fitted with ten ADE's for initial landing, and has no other form of movement. it is heavily armoured, and carries a light mixed armament of railguns and lasers, powered by a fusion reactor. A Galley will carry 126.

The Hoplite can carry nearly 420 men in "Assault" configuration, and is designed to be landed in sets of ten, in a circular configuration. the Landed Hoplites can then be used as a defensive perimeter by the landed troops, if landed in a circular formation. once landed, Hoplites cannot be moved easily.

eight hoplites per Galley will be modified for HQ purposes. they will have decreased weaponry and troop capacity, but be outfitted with extra radio and comms equipment.

In short, the Hoplite will be the primary method of getting boots on the ground in combat areas.

The Third part of this set is the "Neródo̱ri̱tí̱s" or Water Giver, the Nero (Colloquial, and slightly ironic) is designed for heavy combat resupply. it is fitted with six Fixed Atmospeheric Engines-Suffix Retrograde (FAER- coll- Fear) which give it an extremely high agility. it is 40x30x7.6 meters dimesionally. A Galley will carry 46.

It is armoured, armed with light railguns and can carry fourteen tonnes of whatever you can stuff in its hold, to be dropped via parachute. However it is not ideal for dropping infantry as the hold is not sealed, to save weight for armour.The Idea is that the Nero can reach any part of the battlefield in an hour or less and dilver supplies to isolated units, it could also, with its heavy armour and high powered anti soft target armament, act as a provisional gunship.

The retrograde suffix is to indicate the Nero's ability to "Hover" in a retrograde low orbit.

The last part of this particular set is the Voi̱thos, or helper. the Voithos is 30x8.9x6. each galley will carry 68.

the Voithos is designed for non-combat resupply, and is fitted with fixed engines.
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Governor, as I have clearly stated, defense measures have been and is my responsibility, and Greek Fire is overstepping its bounds. You said limited, yet you're making whole new doctrines and the like, which are in my jurisdiction. However, I was kind to allow limited production. That means there are limits and does not grant independent defense to New Byzantium.
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Let's move this to the social group where i will have a proposal.
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Re: Ground Forces and Their Equipment

Tsar has reminded us that in matters of Defence and Defence Equipment - we are all obliged to comply with the Rules and Articles within the Constitution of The Phoenix Confederation.

I wish to remind both the Honourable President of the Dominion of Sol and the Honourable President of the Dominion of New Byzantium - that along with the Dominion of the IPC and the Dominion of Attica - we are all bound by Treaty to comply with the Orders in Council of the Parliament of The Phoenix Confederation.

Tsar is the Prime Minister in this Government - and TacCovert4 is the Defence Minister.
These two Honourable and Illustrious potentates will have the last say in matters of the Armament and Equipment of ANY Armed Forces raised within The Phoenix Confederation.
This does not apply to the Armament of purely System based Local Defence Militia Forces. However - such Forces are not permited to build, own or operate any Armed Vessels which can operate beyond the bounds of Planetary atmospheres.

The Armament and Equipment of any Forces capable of Interplanetary or Interstellar operation will be wthin the area of control of the Ministry of Defence of The Phoenix Confederation. They must at least be approved and agreed by this Ministry, or failing interest by that Ministry - they must be approved by the Office of the Prime Minister of The Phoenix Confederation.

This does nor the preclude the Design and Development of new Weapons and Equipment, nor the manufacture of a Prototype - paid for by either a Government Department of one of the Colonies or Dominions, or by Private Companies in one of the Colonies or Dominions, or indeed by a combination of both.
However, the initiation of the Series Production of either Weapons or Equipment which may be used for Interplanetary or Interstellar operations is expressely forbidden - without the explicit approval of The Phoenix Confederation, either the Ministry of Defence or the Office of the Prime Minister.

One of the specific requirements of this is to endure standardisation of the designs of Weapons and Equipment used throughout the separate Armed Forces of The Phoenix Confederation,. This is aimed at ensuring interchngeability and to ensure that all such Weapons and Equipment are fully suitable for ALL of the separate Armed Forces.

Onm a lighter note - The Equipment defined by the Info. and Specs. which have been Posted do seem to be both useful and advantageous for the operations of Ground Forces, particularly invading Forces.
However, I have no remit to decide on the specifications of Weapons or Military Equipment in the normal course of events - these matters are still down to Tsar and TacCovert4.

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